Guilt and triathlon
Set goals...... but be here now. Enjoy the ride to the finish line.
It's okay to be self indulgent. Women are taught that our role in life is to serve others (as mothers, wives and general caregivers) but really - it's okay to serve yourself.
If all of this self indulgence really gets under your skin then maybe
one of your new goals should be to dedicate some time to others. It doesn't have to be a lot of time - just a little bit. For example, I am a CASA and give 2 1/2 weekend days a month to a kid in the foster care system. The training took a lot of time but it was all crammed into a couple of weeks and then it was done. There are lots of other things you can do if you really feel the need but before you do that I would encourage you to work on feeling okay about your athletic goals. This is a free country and you have a right to focus on you and your goals - without the guilt.
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Actually I've found triathlon to be a step back to reasonable spending for me. My last hobby was buying sports cars with busted engines, and rebuilding them.
Ive found triathlon to be less expensive, less time consuming, and less frustrating... amazingly enough.
Big thing though is that ive found my triathlon training and racing to be an inspiration to my friends and family to get back in shape (or into it for the first time). So i consider my addition to the lifespans of the people around me to be my sort of contribution, though i guess that could be seen as a bit selfish as well.
Just find something that makes you feel like youre contributing. You'll feel better, whatever it is.
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At the end of the day you have to do what makes you happy. I'm 23 at uni, i don't drink that much and I'm in bed by 9pm usually. for me going out and partying does not make me happy, Getting up at 330AM to go for a ride does.
Like the others said you can volunteer, i raise money for various foundations by getting sponsors for each race i do. It makes it seem a little less self indulgent.
dont get bitter, get better
Gulity...... hum... what would we want to feel gulity about.. training hard and doing something not many other people can do. Or being like a majority of the masses and get obese and watch tv all the time..
I had enough of option number two and I knnow I want more for my daughter so i train and i train with her. The best part of last season was when i got to run across the finish line with her...
Now i only have an EX-wife to make me feel gulity but that is because i'm doing something with my life and she doesn't like it..
I do think you're on to something - tri training is fundamentally a self-centered activity. Nobody else is going to train for you, and very few people will be interested in training with you unless they share the same goals. Most people understandably do not want to live a life wholly centered on themselves.
However, you can raise the argument about "why should I spend/do X when people are in need" for almost every discretionary purchase or activity in your life. Have an apartment bigger than a studio? Own a car with 1 or 2 nice options? Take vacations? Buy non-generic cereal? Guess what, you spent money/time when you didn't have to, when you could have donated that money/time to someone more needy.
Obviously, the logical extreme of this leads to an outcome most of us would consider unattainable (even undesirable, depending on your worldview). And, as others pointed out, there are hobbies that cost a LOT more than triathlon.
My view is that everyone needs to strike a balance in what they choose to do for themselves and what they choose to do for others. And everbody's point of balance is different. Some people will be perfectly happy training round the clock and doing very little else. Others are Mother Theresa--dedicating literally their entire existence to the needs of others. It sounds like your preferred point of balance is currently at odds with your lifestyle, so I would suggest that you start taking small steps to re-orient the lifestyle until you reach that point of balance. No need to do anything drastic yet. Here are a few ideas:
You could try doing a fundraising drive for a charity tied to a challenging race. Look into something like the Janus Charity Challenge for Ironman races, where you raise money but you do not get many "freebies" (i.e., you pay for your own race entry fee, hotel, travel, gear, etc.) so more of the money you raise actually goes to charity.
OR: I know TNT gets a bad rap in some circles for the freebies I described above, but they actually do get people to the starting line of events that they might otherwise never try. If you have some race experience why not volunteer as a coach for them?
What about coaching kids?
Finally, realize that the world of tri runs on the efforts of volunteers. If you don't currently volunteer at races, consider giving that a try. Most races benefit various charities/community groups, so your time will, indirectly, be of value to them.
I think it's possible for some people to train, even at your current high level (20 hours a week is hardcore), while still striking a balance that works for them. I hope you find what suits you. Best of luck--and don't be afraid to drop a line here and let us know if you do make a change that works. Some of us can use ideas and inspiration from time to time.
How can I travel to developing countries, see the poverty that people live in and then the next week drop $300 at the bike shop??QUOTE]sounds like you recently took a trip somewhere. If you witnessed that poverty and didn't have these feeling you'd be heartless. So congrat's! You're a normal human being!
But aren't there lots of things that really are selfish but are societal norms? Like a TV, food that tastes good, clothes that are not worn out. Anything beyond what is required for sustaining life could be susceptible to that critique. I don't know where you draw the live, but I think that it's a difficult personal struggle.
It's people who stop making that struggle that are sold out selfish.
If you feel guilty about being selfish, and want to know the other side of the story, pickup one of Ayn Rand's top selling books.
I never thought of spending money for something as selfish. Some might say that buying an expensive item is selfish, but the families of the people making that item available won't think so. There's a lot of middle class families with someone that works at GM who are happy everytime a rich guy trades in his 2 year old Corvette.
Maybe that wasn't the best example, but I do want you to know that I don't think spending time and money for something that you enjoy is bad. I hope you keep it up and don't feel guilty about it.
Thanks for your comments. I don't feel better thinking about the people sitting on the coach or those with more expensive hobbies than me. Comparing myself to this really misses the point. Just because I do tris doesn't make me a better person. I don't know if that would be the way to remove some of this guilt. I understand completely what TriOneLife is talking about. Yes, women are more prone to feeling this but I don't think that means that its wrong-maybe we should all consider these things-male or female.
PJT: you make some very good points. I'm not one for raising money- I hate asking for donations-but I really do like the idea of coaching. I know tri is a good thing in my life-it would be great to show it to others. I'm not sure if that will do the trick but it will certainly be in the right direction.
I do appreciate Leroy's comments though, when I stop struggling I'm in trouble. Some people will call me a bleeding heart-someone who will feel this no matter what- I guess its not such a bad thing. When I stop feeling I'm in trouble. Thanks!
Set goals...... but be here now. Enjoy the ride to the finish line.
At the end of the day you have to do what makes you happy. I'm 23 at uni, i don't drink that much and I'm in bed by 9pm usually. for me going out and partying does not make me happy, Getting up at 330AM to go for a ride does.
Haha, Hollywood, we sound the same. Only difference is I go to work instead of uni, and there's no way I can get up before 5am, 3.30's just insane!!
Donna - Volunteering or raising money for charities is an excellent way to help. I participated in something called the Oxfam Trailwalker last year, it's a 100km walk over 1 weekend, and myself and my team raised $5,500 for Oxfam and their programs. In the end I didn't get to do the event, I was the team support, but it felt amazing to be able to be a part of such an event, and to raise so much money for charity.
Donna ~ I know it might seem a little like a cop out, but don't underestimate the revenue generated by a larger event in a small area. Here in DC, the Marine Corps Marathon every year definitely ties up traffic. But, it generates on the order of $50 MILLION in revenue for the city between metro, hotels, restaurants, etc, etc... So when residents question why the city allows it each year, that has to play a part.
We just returned from doing Ironman Cancun 70.3. Nearly a thousand athletes plus family and friends descended on this region during its traditional off-season. I can't possibly imagine how much revenue was injected into the local economy - I know we left a few thousand dollars in Mexico at hotels, family-owned restaurants, taxi fares, tips to bellboys/maids/waiters.
So, while it's an indirect outcome, know that your participation in something you love that makes you happy, does have benefits for people sometimes not even connected to the event.
"It's very hard in the beginning to understand that the whole idea is not to beat the other runners. Eventually you learn that the competition is against the little voice inside you that wants you to quit." ~George Sheehan
Be sure to look for races, fun runs & century rides that are fundraisers for local charities. That is definitely a decision-factor when I'm choosing a race or event. There's only 1 race each year where I ask for donations. The rest of the races, I just know that a portion of my entrance fee goes to charity. Maybe not a ton, but it's something.
I spend a lot of time training & racing, but also have found time to volunteer. You can do it. Just like training, you have to make it a priority for your schedule.
I think guilt is a very useful emotion, and we should listen to it if it's something we're feeling strongly. Being a triathlete can be a very positive thing, an inspiration to people around you and simply keeping your body healthy throughout your life. But it can also be a very self-indulgent sport as well. There's lots of ways to reach out via volunteering, coaching, donating time or money to causes you feel are important, etc. and trying to find that balance between your own personal goals and aspirations and helping others as well.
Have you thought about setting aside a portion of your spending for charity? Some people tithe to a church, but others use the 10% formula for charitable donations. My favorite organization that helps people all over the world become self-sufficient is Heifer Project International ( heifer.org ) - if you travel they even have working trips where you can assist on one of their projects worldwide.
There are also great charities that help people by fixing and donating bicycles - seems like it would be a great match for triathletes. I read a recent article about bikes helping doctors reach far-flung patients in Africa that was really inspiring. Or bicycle advocacy groups that make life better for the whole planet by helping more people ride bikes. Or coaching children, or many other things.
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I've been experiencing a lot of guilt lately. It comes up when I'm on a run before work or a 2 hour bike ride after work. It surges it's head when I spend my Saturday doing a 6 hour brick. I'm not talking about the guilt that so many people have spoken about here: guilt for not spending time with my family. I'm single and I don't have anyone waiting at home for me-I can do whatever I want.
I feel guilty for putting in 20 hour training weeks, paying a coach(who is fantastic) a monthly stipend, buying a bike that cost thousands dollars. Why? It just seems so selfish at times. That is a lot of time to put into something that is for me alone. That is a lot of money to spend on something that is for me alone. Why am I not volunteering at the local soup kitchen on the weekend? Why am I not donating that money to feed a family in Central America? How can I justify this? How can I travel to developing countries, see the poverty that people live in and then the next week drop $300 at the bike shop?? Does anyone else feel this? It's been coming up a lot for me....
Those are real concerns, but I think there's real value to your setting goals and working toward them, living a healthy lifestyle, and showing that you can achieve your goals. You may be doing more good for the world than you realize.
Maybe you could find a younger person or a beginner and offer to be a multisport mentor. Also, you could make a compromise with yourself and cut your costs down, while contributing to a charity in another country.
However, I think it would be nice to have a program to get those less fortunate to take part in triathlons.
My girlfriend works at the YMCA and they have a really cool scholarship program to allow poor families to take part at the Y.
Maybe it's time to have a scholarship in the various cities to bring in people into the beauty of triathlon. The local clubs could mentor, provide grants/scholarships, training, and the local shops could provide heavily discounted or free products.
Hmmm...
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This is a tough conundrum. I quit triathlon twice a year at least because I get so sick of all the conspicious consumption. How can we justify the expense when so many others in the world suffer.
Well, the truth is, you can't. It is selfish. There is no justification for all the resources that are used back down the supply chain to make your bike your swim suit or your running shoes. Saying "I raise money for cancer" is no justification, when you can just write a check and do just as good... Saying it brings in lots of money to a community doesn't work,because a lot of that money never trickles down to the folks that need it. And I don't buy the "It's a triumph of the human spirit when I finish a race." stuff...for most of the world it's a triumph of the human spirit to simply make it through the day alive. We can't say that stuff from the comfort of our homes sitting in front of our computers, the cost of which could buy a whole village in some corners of the world. There is no justification possible for racing through a part of this country and knowing your bike,shoes,six months of coaching, hotel rooms...et cetra add up to more than the cost of some of the houses you pass.
If you consider this a sin of morality,so be it. Do penance.
Collect bikes for "Bikes for the World." Work at the soup kitchen.
Give money to cancer funds and don't do it connected with a race and volunteer at your local hospice. Stop looking for a six figure job to feed your sports addiction and instead become a teacher, work at the Y, Get rid of that Hummer and buy a bike and change jobs so you can commute to work on it. Help a poor family. Volunteer with Iraq and Afghan war vets,especially those who can't physically get out.
It bothers many of us...let it. If it doesn't, you aren't part of the solution you're part of the problem.
"What would life be if we had no courage to attempt anything?" - Vincent Van Gogh
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Jeez Donna - if only more people had your kind of conscience.
I just watched a documentary about the super rich like Ralph Lauren spending untold fortunes acquiring and restoring luxury cars. People in Dubai and Kutar keep rebuilding constantly self-destructing islands shaped like the world or a palm tree in the middle of the ocean just for the hell of it. Your and my "indulgences" amount to an ant carrying off a crystal of sugar from a C&H plant.
What you're doing is self-gratifying but please, let go of the guilt when you're on that 2nd hour of your bike ride. Permit yourself the pleasure of that lactic burn.
Give your money and time to the poor when you can. The rest of the time, don't live in guilt.
I've been experiencing a lot of guilt lately. It comes up when I'm on a run before work or a 2 hour bike ride after work. It surges it's head when I spend my Saturday doing a 6 hour brick. I'm not talking about the guilt that so many people have spoken about here: guilt for not spending time with my family. I'm single and I don't have anyone waiting at home for me-I can do whatever I want.
I feel guilty for putting in 20 hour training weeks, paying a coach (who is fantastic) a monthly stipend, buying a bike that cost thousands dollars. Why? It just seems so selfish at times. That is a lot of time to put into something that is for me alone. That is a lot of money to spend on something that is for me alone. Why am I not volunteering at the local soup kitchen on the weekend? Why am I not donating that money to feed a family in Central America? How can I justify this? How can I travel to developing countries, see the poverty that people live in and then the next week drop $300 at the bike shop?? Does anyone else feel this? It's been coming up a lot for me....
Jeez..between you and Bryan (Red5), there's enough guilt on this forum to make Woody Allen look happy ;-)
Hmm. Well, I don't know if guilt is a bad thing. It can be very motivating-I feel it, I dont want to feel it so I will do something different. I totally agree with what Anton said- I can't really find solice in the fact that I pay $100 race entry fees and that 50 cents of that goes to the family living in the trailer down the street. The amount of consumption in this country in general is huge.
I love the idea about getting poor kids into the sport and had been thinking about it but man, where does one start? The bike is a huge first step. We have a program here in Boston called "Bikes Not Bombs" where you can donate your old bikes (I just gave over my mt bike). Maybe that's a start.
But the poverty in this country is nothing compared to that in others. I know I need to just get out and do something. I have heard really good things about the Heifer organization-I think that's what my family will be getting for Christmas-donations of goats to families in developing countries. I also heard about the program where bikes are donated to countries in Africa. A boy who is missing a leg just climbed Mt Kilimanjaro to raise money for this organization.
Anyway, I know this goes beyong tris alone but it's somthing that is tied to the sport for me because of the consumption and because it's such a big part of who I am.
PS I'm not in corparate finance (no offense to those of you who are) making tons of money- My day job: I work with veterans with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Set goals...... but be here now. Enjoy the ride to the finish line.
Just because I do tris doesn't make me a better person.
Donna, I disagree with this. I have found that doing tri's may not directly have an impact on someone other than yourself...but I fully believe that I am more motivated and self-driven when I am in training. If you weren't participating in tri's it's entirely possible you could be driving the remote control from your couch for 6 hours a day- not helping yourself or anyone else.
Continue to train, but keep your eyes open for opportunities to help others. They will present themselves and you will be ready to help!!!
Donna, that's what our families get from us every year. At first it was hard to get them to stop sending us gifts, but we finally convinced them that a Heifer gift is what we'd like most. And now we all exchange "animals" via Heifer for Christmas. My family has been involved with Heifer project for three decades (we used to raise goats for them even) and they are a wonderful organization.
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Hmm. Well, I don't know if guilt is a bad thing. It can be very motivating-I feel it, I dont want to feel it so I will do something different.PS I'm not in corparate finance (no offense to those of you who are) making tons of money- My day job: I work with veterans with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Hi Donna, I don't think your concerns have anything to do with tris, the only thing you have to feel guilty about is having a social conscience (which is something to be applauded).
It just happens that tris make up a large part of your life so they're one of the things you use to 'judge' yourself. The fact that you feel guilty means you're much more socially aware than most people. The great thing about being a socially aware triathlete is you'll be able to apply the dedication, resilience and strength of your sport to helping others - it's just a matter of finding the way.
The more I read your posts the more I feel your destined to help others in a big way - it might be helping kids with bikes, getting people into sport or sending money to Africa for food and water but whichever it is, don't feel bad about balancing that against living a good life yourself.
And one more thing, someone who works in your profession has nothing to feel guilty about. You'll just have to get used to the fact you're a really nice person:)
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I've been experiencing a lot of guilt lately. It comes up when I'm on a run before work or a 2 hour bike ride after work. It surges it's head when I spend my Saturday doing a 6 hour brick. I'm not talking about the guilt that so many people have spoken about here: guilt for not spending time with my family. I'm single and I don't have anyone waiting at home for me-I can do whatever I want.
I feel guilty for putting in 20 hour training weeks, paying a coach (who is fantastic) a monthly stipend, buying a bike that cost thousands dollars. Why? It just seems so selfish at times. That is a lot of time to put into something that is for me alone. That is a lot of money to spend on something that is for me alone. Why am I not volunteering at the local soup kitchen on the weekend? Why am I not donating that money to feed a family in Central America? How can I justify this? How can I travel to developing countries, see the poverty that people live in and then the next week drop $300 at the bike shop?? Does anyone else feel this? It's been coming up a lot for me....
Set goals...... but be here now. Enjoy the ride to the finish line.