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started by Tribro on October 2, 2007

So with the big races coming up in the next weeks and months I got a crazy idea to put together some shirts (a spin off the dopers suck cycling shirts). Part in jest, partly to try and build more awareness of the drafting problems that occur. I know it frustrates many athletes out on the course (pros and age groupers), so I thought I'd put together a couple shirts for us to stand against wheelsuckers in Triathlon.

http://www.drafterssuck.com

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mdornich posted 39 weeks ago.

I love it. What does it say under Drafters Suck on the Don't Hide, Ride version? Can't read it on, my screen.

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Tribro posted 39 weeks ago.

;)

It says... "a message from the coalition to stop wheelsuckers"

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PrinceofClydes posted 39 weeks ago.

Oooohhh, you rebel, you!

I like it.

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Tikal Dog posted 39 weeks ago.

I have to confess I do like drafting legal races, there´s a special feeling when riding in a pack.

But I do obey the rules.... never in non drafting races.

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RV posted 39 weeks ago.

Ya, those are good!

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Iron Dan posted 39 weeks ago.

I like !!!

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Tribro posted 39 weeks ago.

ya. not against draft legal and ITU. More for the U.S. races that are supposed to be non-drafting. Drafting is cool, in it's place.

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flaniganrj posted 39 weeks ago.

Very nice Tribro.......

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djrez4 posted 39 weeks ago.

Brilliant! That's one of those shirts I'd wear to a bar. Everyone would wonder what the heck it was about. And the girl that understands it comes home with me. ;)

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mdd posted 39 weeks ago.

Those shirts rock! I can't wait to get mine and wear it around some local roadies...hopefully they will be offended. ;)

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Anton posted 39 weeks ago.

OMG...where's my Visa?

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beads1985 posted 39 weeks ago.

Too cool.

I don't worry about anybody drafting off of me, except my kids. I'm too slow :D

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stewarba posted 39 weeks ago.

I have to admit as a newbie to this sport that I don't quite get it. I mean, I get the drafting is illegal part and I understand what it is and why it is advantageous, I just don't understand what the big deal is. I mean its not illegal in the swim portion of the race. I have read that in the swim portion, as a tactic, you should get into a group of similiar speed swimmers so you can benefit from the "draft" created. So its OK in one leg and not another. I assume there is no real advantage on the run.

Don't get me wrong, I follow the rules, but it seems inconsistant. I'm sure I could get flammed for this, but it really doesn't make sense to me.

Shirts are cool by the way :)

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Triguy98 posted 39 weeks ago.

I like. Just might get one when I get back from vacation!

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Tribro posted 39 weeks ago.

it's just a huge difference on the bike. if there are 5 guys in front of you drafting, you'll never catch them even if you are better than all of them. also saves lots of energy in longer races for the run. for pros it can be the difference between earning a paycheck or not, and for age groupers it can be a Kona slot.

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PrinceofClydes posted 39 weeks ago.

stewarba;81478 wrote:

.. I assume there is no real advantage on the run.

Brad

Oddly enough, I had a guy draft nehind me on the run at IMC a few years ago. We had some gnarly headwinds out along Skaha lake and I am a big guy so he was sheltered somewhat. It's not like I was going to drag him to a PR, but it was kind of eerie hearing his footfalls just behind me for a long while.

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Tikal Dog posted 39 weeks ago.

PrinceofClydes;81505 wrote:
Oddly enough, I had a guy draft nehind me on the run at IMC a few years ago. We had some gnarly headwinds out along Skaha lake and I am a big guy so he was sheltered somewhat. It's not like I was going to drag him to a PR, but it was kind of eerie hearing his footfalls just behind me for a long while.

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I think I was flattered :)

There was something you could have done to get rid of him (don´t want to get into details right now ;) )

As for non drafting races.....there´s always peeing on the bike.... now THERE´S a way to teach them a lesson.

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Ironmom posted 39 weeks ago.

stewarba;81478 wrote:
I have to admit as a newbie to this sport that I don't quite get it. I mean, I get the drafting is illegal part and I understand what it is and why it is advantageous, I just don't understand what the big deal is.

Well, there's rules that everyone agrees to abide by. If you're in a draft-legal race then that means you can draft, if not, you can't. If people break the rules, they get an unfair advantage. In cycling, the advantage can be huge. I felt bad for the honest people going for a Kona slot at the IM I did last year, because really if there were one or two people from their age group in those huge packs of drafters (esp. with the headwinds), they were never going to catch them. I don't understand why someone would want to stand on a podium or get a slot to Kona knowing that they didn't earn it, they cheated to get it, while somewhere out there is a faster person who didn't cheat and isn't able to get that slot.

BTW, I love the shirts!!!

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stewarba posted 39 weeks ago.

Ironmom;81546 wrote:
Well, there's rules that everyone agrees to abide by.

Roger that! And I am all for rules and following them. The thing that I don't get is how easily upset people get with drafting on the bike, but find it perfectly acceptable on the swim. And not just acceptable, but preferred.

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kylie posted 39 weeks ago.

I think what Ironmom was getting at was that in the races where we don't like drafting on the bike, it is forbidden by the rules. Drafting in the swim is not, nor is it on the run. So it's all about playing by the rules to best enhance your abilities.

The other reason drafting on the bike makes me wince a bit is that I know not all riders out there have great handling, and it can be dangerous to ride in a pack of people you don't know. You can even take down non-drafters as passing them since it can be harder to see what is coming.

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Sully800 posted 39 weeks ago.

Also, drafting is illegal on the bike and not the run/swim because it makes by far the biggest difference on the bike. Staying right behind someone during the run or swim is more about being able to follow someone else's pace to stay even and think a little less about pacing yourself. It makes it much easier (hence the rabbits in professional track races). There is a slight drafting benefit but I also can't imagine them making drafting in swimming....since on the swim everyone starts together and is bunched up most of the time whether you're trying to follow someone else or not.

I'd rather be swimming by myself then getting kicked in the face every second or two anyway ;)

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Ironmom posted 39 weeks ago.

kylie;81748 wrote:
I think what Ironmom was getting at was that in the races where we don't like drafting on the bike, it is forbidden by the rules. Drafting in the swim is not, nor is it on the run. So it's all about playing by the rules to best enhance your abilities.

Exactly. If people don't like the swim drafting, they can petition to change the rules, or start their own triathlon where there is no swim drafting and try to marshall the swim course with kayaks or whatever. And if I go to that triathlon, I'll play by those rules (I actually never draft on the swim anyways and would prefer to swim by myself if I could, so I'd love it if someone wanted to creat that kind of race!). The point is that when you enter a race, you agree to play by the rules of that race. If I enter an ITU triathlon, you better bet I would train to be drafting on the bike, and I would take full advantage of that. But in a regular tri, it's against the rules. So I don't do it, because to do so would be to cheat. And I'm not a cheater. And I don't see how anyone can justify cheating. That's it.

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TryScott posted 39 weeks ago.

I can see why drafting in the swim is allowed (impossible to avoid/patrol), but it's hard to see why there are different rules for the run and bike. I understand that there's more benefit to drafting on a bike than there is on a run. However, if it's unfair, to me it's the difference between cheating a little (draft on run), or cheating a lot (draft on bike). As other people have implied, you don't have to understand or agree with it in order to follow the rules. If everyone follows the same rules, then the playing field is even, and ultimately that's what everyone should want.

As for the shirts, they are the newest addition to my christmas list. Doesn't it seem like the phrase should be on the back though? I don't expect to wear it during a race, but still, it's just seems like the back is the right place to have a saying like that. Maybe add something to the back like small letters that say "If you can read this from your bike, STOP DRAFTING."

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jpaulson posted 39 weeks ago.

I say put the phrase on the back and print it on some tri tops! :)

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wirebook posted 39 weeks ago.

I agree - it would be awesome to see it on a tri top, especially on the back.

Another phrase I'd like to see on the back of a tri top would be "Pass me now...but how fast can you run?".

I had a few people trying to draft off of me out on the backside of Haynes point during the Nations' tri last weekend. Very frustrating especially given the heavy winds.

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TryScott;81785 wrote:
I can see why drafting in the swim is allowed (impossible to avoid/patrol), but it's hard to see why there are different rules for the run and bike. I understand that there's more benefit to drafting on a bike than there is on a run. However, if it's unfair, to me it's the difference between cheating a little (draft on run), or cheating a lot (draft on bike). As other people have implied, you don't have to understand or agree with it in order to follow the rules. If everyone follows the same rules, then the playing field is even, and ultimately that's what everyone should want.

Drafting on the run isn't going to win or lose a race, nor will a draft on the swim, but drafting on the bike could. If you can draft on the bike, you don't have to be the fastest, you just have to be fast enough to ride with the pack. Which is huge difference.

I don't understand why there is even such thing as a draft legal race. It seems to me like it becomes a foot race, as long as you can swim fast enough not to fall too far behind that you can't catch the pack, and then recover, and you can ride well enough to stay in the pack, as it moves along catching anyone who happened to be a particularly good swimmer.

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tribro;81432 wrote:
So with the big races coming up in the next weeks and months I got a crazy idea to put together some shirts (a spin off the dopers suck cycling shirts). Part in jest, partly to try and build more awareness of the drafting problems that occur. I know it frustrates many athletes out on the course (pros and age groupers), so I thought I'd put together a couple shirts for us to stand against wheelsuckers in Triathlon.

http://www.drafterssuck.com

Tribro! I love them!

I am somewhat of a draft-nazi; especially after going down and watching IMFL this year. The drafting there was so blatant, they looked like huge team time trials!

I think they should increase the penalties for drafting - 30 minutes for an Ironman should be a deterence.

I concur with the others on putting that on a tri-jersey.

Speed hurts; how fast do you want to go?

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beads1985 posted 32 weeks ago.

Ouch! 30 minutes would be harsh, but might do the trick.

or pehaps just a public flogging!! :D

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catwood posted 32 weeks ago.

I have a tri single that says, "Stop Drafting, CHEATER!" on the back pocket...

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Sling posted 32 weeks ago.

beads1985;85856 wrote:
Ouch! 30 minutes would be harsh, but might do the trick.

I agree it's harsh, but it should correspond to the advantage it gives you. For example, my last IM was a 5:45, a 19.5 mph average; I can draft all day at 22.5, I've done it. So if I were inclined to cheat, why wouldn't I latch on to the fastest wheel I can hold on to and come in around 5 hours? If I get caught, it's just a 4 minute penalty, and my time is 5:04, which would certainly put me in the mix for Kona. Where's the disincentive for people who intend to cheat?

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PrinceofClydes posted 32 weeks ago.

TryScott;81785 wrote:
.. it's hard to see why there are different rules for the run and bike. I understand that there's more benefit to drafting on a bike than there is on a run. However, if it's unfair, to me it's the difference between cheating a little (draft on run), or cheating a lot (draft on bike). As other people have implied, you don't have to understand or agree with it in order to follow the rules. If everyone follows the same rules, then the playing field is even, and ultimately that's what everyone should want.
..

In the real world - where logistics dictate what can be done,
RDs and us, the competitors who support the race events,
always have to weigh up the benefits vs the costs.

Drafting on the bike = ~30% benefit (HUGE)
Drafting on run, swim = not so much.

Cost of policing:
the swim = impossible.
the run = not warranted by the benefits
the bike = manageable in most races.

drafters suck,

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MITriGuy posted 31 weeks ago.

I dont think drafters suck as bad as the rules do. 10 meters is a bit much. Coming from a road racing background, if the guy in front of you is 10 feet away and going faster than you, you dont have a chance of catching his wheel or getting any kind of rest. If you've ever tried a rotating paceline with a bunch of your buddies you'd know what I mean. 1 guy comes up to pull going a bit too fast and the whole group is lost. Drafting is done within a couple feet not meters.

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Sully800 posted 31 weeks ago.

MITriGuy;86377 wrote:
I dont think drafters suck as bad as the rules do. 10 meters is a bit much. Coming from a road racing background, if the guy in front of you is 10 feet away and going faster than you, you dont have a chance of catching his wheel or getting any kind of rest. If you've ever tried a rotating paceline with a bunch of your buddies you'd know what I mean. 1 guy comes up to pull going a bit too fast and the whole group is lost. Drafting is done within a couple feet not meters.

But theres no exact distance where you stop getting benefits from drafting. The closer you are the better obviously, but you still benefit if you are 2 meters away. By putting the limit at 10m they ensure that you are clearly breaking the rules if you are going to get a benefit from drafting.