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started by max ping on September 26, 2007

this saturday my son and i will be one week out from our first race...yee haww!
im really liking this, especially having learned the value of swimming.

what kind of winter training do you all do. i think i am going to tone down what we've been doing. instead of working each area two or three days a week, cut it back to one. well, initially i want to do more swimming to improve this area.
is winter treated as a layoff period as in cycling... doing other activities?
also, i tend to be skinny from my bone structure but also my cycling, but preparing for this race has made me even more so... i have the boney face of a tour defrance rider. is weight training something most of you all do? and if so, is it an "overall" training, or specific to the events?

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Iron Dan posted 48 weeks ago.

Congrats on completion of your first race, I am glad that you enjoyed it.

With winter training, I still try to do about the same number of workouts a week as I do during the spring and summer months, however, intensity and duration of the workouts is what is different. In the winter you want to what is called "building your base". It is a time to improve your base fitness so when the spring comes around, you can build speed into the base of fitness you have developed. There are a lot of article on it right here on trifuel.

If you want to improve in cycling, you are going to have to put the time in during the winter to develop strength and a good cycling base to build off of. I try to take advantage of every possible dry day I can during the winter to go for a ride. If not, I am on the trainer.

With strength training, I do a lot of core workouts. I also do overall body workouts, but I am not really trying to add a lot of mass to any part of my body.

Enjoy the offseason and good luck next year.

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wirebook posted 48 weeks ago.

In the winter I tend to focus more on speed than distance. Given that the weather is usually less than ideal - by focusing on harder, more intense workouts - but of the shorter variety, I find I can get the most bang for my buck. From a running standpoint, things like intervals and tempo runs will have an INCREDIBLE impact on your times. It's really amazing. For running, everything breaks down to two pieces really:

1) Can your legs run the distance
2) Can your lungs do the distance at X pace

The legs part is generally easy - it just hurts. It's the lungs part that's more tricky, but doing tempo runs/intervals - you get your lungs used to working at a given lower pace - thus lowering your overall pace.

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Triguy98 posted 48 weeks ago.

The book "Off Season Training for Triathletes" can help guide you through. It really builds upon Joe Friel's Triathlete's Training Bible, and can help paint a picture of what your off season should be composed of, when to do differing types, and how long those workouts should be.

Do not reduce cycling. If anything, I ride more in the offseason. I just mix it up more with road and MTB.

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KenMierke posted 48 weeks ago.

Focus on improving technique in all three sports and increasing muscular strength through the off-season. Do almost no high intensity aerobic work. The benefits of interval or tempo workouts will be long gone by next season and you'll use up resources that you should be saving for spring.

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RV posted 48 weeks ago.

Off-season is the time to focus on your limiters and build your base. Base base and more base.

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bluebirdbiker posted 48 weeks ago.

Most have said it above, but best is by Ken in my eyes. Base is what is now the key. Technique and pick "one" sport and drill it to get the max. out through the season. When we say base what we mean is that one should focus on building the aerobic system for speedwork in the new tri season. By building base we improve many things in our bodies including capillaries, fat burning process, improvements in ligament strength etc., etc. By doing Long Slow Distance (LSD) Long being long hours at low HR we improve these things in our bodies and thus can handle higher intensities when in build phase (higher volume and intensity) pre races. All work should be done at the Aerobic level. That being the AeT - point at which the lactic acid build up is broken down as fast as it is made, usually <70% of the HRmax. Figure that out and the more you can do at this pace for all three sports the fitter you will be come time to train for the races next year.

Read this for a full explanation: Periodization Training Techniques: If you want to improve your performances, you can't train the same way all the time

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0147.htm

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/organise-your-training-year-with-periodisation-35893

More:

http://www.trifuel.com/triathlon/triathlon-training/what-does-periodization-mean-and-how-does-it-work-000625.php

http://www.markallenonline.com/Base.asp

http://www.markallenonline.com/offseason.asp

Hope this helps clarify things a bit. Good luck!

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catwood posted 48 weeks ago.

Basically what other have said... long slow distance - trains your heart to pump more blood per beat and builds up capillary density in your muscles.

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Breifne7 posted 48 weeks ago.

We have long winters in MN, icy roads and short daylight hours... Somehow I became addicted to weights. I'm not saying it's the best workout for triathletes but I get huge satisfaction out of moving heavy metal. No other athletic endeavor gives me an endorphin rush like weights. I don't think it has hurt my swim or bike time. I'd even go so far as to say it helped. I feel more powerful on the sprint bike (squats) - and even on the swim (pull-ups). I wouldn't recommend it for triathletes at the top of their game, but for this Joe, it works.

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max ping posted 48 weeks ago.

i get it, i think!
but with the heavy reliance on aerobic i may shrivel up to nothing...seriously. has anyone added a slight amount of bulk, in the form of muscle in the off season? i feel like that is something i might need to do.
also, when we are building a base in the swim, are we talking about miles in the pool, or are we doing long intervals? i am REALLY new to swimming. i mean i spent my teen years in the waves of hawaii, but to swim "right" is a whole different thing. i have basically been swimming with a purpose for a month... i am completely fascinated by it! the whole skill thing is intrigues me more than you can imagine.

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Sully800 posted 48 weeks ago.

Lifting to add strength is a good goal over the winter, because increased strength can really help you in the swim and especially the bike. Lifting to add bulk is not a good idea for a triathlete (though we all have the urge because people like big muscles)

Bulk will decrease your performance in every aspect of the race, and will do nothing but give you a better looking body. Increased strength will improve each leg of your race. And the two do not go hand in hand.

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Socket posted 48 weeks ago.

Sully800;81031 wrote:
Bulk will decrease your performance in every aspect of the race, and will do nothing but give you a better looking body. Increased strength will improve each leg of your race. And the two do not go hand in hand.

I can attest to that. When I was just lifting to build muscle, I got some good looking bulk, but no real ability to use it.

When I started running again I dropped the weight and worked on power. I ended up losing 14 lbs of the bulk but am stronger than I was when I started. My girlfriend misses the bigger chest, but likes the leaner look ;)

Working larger muscle groups (squats, pullups, chest press) faster with more reps worked for me. And don't forget the core!

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Breifne7 posted 48 weeks ago.

I’m a short, squat guy with a tendency to bulk up quickly. I’ve been an “switch-season” weight lifter / endurance athlete for a couple of decades. Long term strength training (and genetics) have caused me to developed muscle mass that is a detriment to my success as a triathlete/distance runner. I have to caution anyone about mixing the two. If you want to be Dave Scott take it easy on the weights. If you don’t mind being in the middle of the pack there’s no reason you can’t strive for a 13 hour IM and 400 lb squat too.

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Leroy Bonkers posted 48 weeks ago.

Squatting! Now that is bulk we can love - if you can get those big legs to turn big gears.

I don't have an "off season". I have a half-marathon season, a leg-press-the-world season, a learn-how-to-swim season, a finally-do-something-around-the-house-so-my-wife-doesn't-leave-me season... But no off season.

So like RV said, it's limiter season.

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max ping posted 48 weeks ago.

right now for my first tri, i have done each element twice per week, occasionally throwing in extra swimming because it is relatively new to me and i feel it is a weakness.
from what i read here i should basically keep doing the same workouts but with less intensity...right?

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Ironmom posted 47 weeks ago.

In addition to the great advice about base training above, the thing I strive for the most in the off-season is to mix it up and have fun with sports I don't get to do as much in the more intense tri season.

I get to add a sparring and a weapons class to my karate class schedule, and my hubby and I are playing League Volleyball with a local team. I'll go ice skating and roller skating more with the kids, and we'll do some snow-shoeing or snowboarding when the winter weather hits.

All of this keeps me motivated when it's time to add the intensity back into the tri schedule next summer.

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Sully800 posted 47 weeks ago.

I'll certainly play more racquetball, do more rock climbing and other sports during the off season as Ironmom said. Its a fun time to enjoy other physical activities which you neglect most of the year. And as you get closer and closer to starting the focused training for next year you can get more specific with the run/bike/swim training again to prepare yourself. Its a good time to bike/run to just have fun being outside while maintaining fitness....as opposed to working so hard that you ignore the environment around you ;)

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TryScott posted 47 weeks ago.

I'm surprised at how many people say they have to limit their hard workouts. I can't wait to use the excuse "sorry I can't go harder, I'm building my base." If I can pull off finishing my first marathon on November 4th, there's no way I'm letting my HR go over 150 for at least 3 months.

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Sully800 posted 47 weeks ago.

TryScott;81389 wrote:
I'm surprised at how many people say they have to limit their hard workouts. I can't wait to use the excuse "sorry I can't go harder, I'm building my base." If I can pull off finishing my first marathon on November 4th, there's no way I'm letting my HR go over 150 for at least 3 months.

Well, I'm a fan of the show Lost, and sometimes that alone pushes me above 150. Watching the season finale last year was like an LT workout :p But other than that, I agree!

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hakadoru posted 44 weeks ago.

max ping;81005 wrote:
i get it, i think!
but with the heavy reliance on aerobic i may shrivel up to nothing...seriously. has anyone added a slight amount of bulk, in the form of muscle in the off season? i

I head to the gym a bit more during the traditional off-season, although I really don't have one. I just shift gears to another aspect of multisport.

That being said, I am also trying to stay aerobic in my training by going sloooooowwwwer than my usual slowness. ;) I'm counting on the weights and yoga (just wrote about that in the blog today) to maintain or increase strength during this period. Also, I have better success getting rid of my Starbucks Belly through weight training and aerobic sessions than either one alone.

I have a small contest going on now where people are showcasing their favorite off-season training sessions. Submissions have included the standard weight training to the more creative karate and snow shoeing.

I think this time of year is a great time to experiment with other modalities like skiing, snowshoeing, inline skating, etc., as long as you keep them in alignment with your HR strategy like BlueBird Biker wrote earlier.

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max ping posted 44 weeks ago.

i see the meaning behind what you all say. two things though. 1) I did my first race only weeks ago and it was only one month before that that I did any running or swimming - i'm psyched to continue progressing with this new found love. 2) "the man", lance Armstrong trained year round and found it to be his advantage.