Floyd gets his.
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JRH posted 34 weeks ago.
damn. was hoping he was clean. thought he put a decent defense but nothing that impressed (or the arbitators) very sad.
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UFTriGator posted 34 weeks ago.
Long version:
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Triguy98 posted 34 weeks ago.
JRH;80274 wrote:
damn. was hoping he was clean. thought he put a decent defense but nothing that impressed (or the arbitators) very sad.
Actually, one arbitrator strongly disagreed with the other two. This was not a unaminous decision and I hope to see Floyd appeal. Not to say that I strongly believe he did not dope, but I hope not, and no one should be convicted on that shakey of evidence.
Life is short. Play hard and get dirty doing it.
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RV posted 34 weeks ago.
Triguy98;80276 wrote:
Actually, one arbitrator strongly disagreed with the other two. This was not a unaminous decision and I hope to see Floyd appeal. Not to say that I strongly believe he did not dope, but I hope not, and no one should be convicted on that shakey of evidence.
Hopefully he does appeal - I am bummed. :(
It stills seems like a witch hunt.
I hope he didn't cheat - still kinda leaning that way, but...
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JamieM posted 34 weeks ago.
I think he's innocent. But either way it's just a sad day for cycling.
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Anton posted 34 weeks ago.
What a difference a year makes huh? Last year Floyd has a positive test for synthetic testostrone and gets two years and loss of a title...maybe.
This year Rasmussen has just a wiff of impropriety surrounding him and gets the ax...now the UCI calling for life time ban.
Zero tolerance has arrived.
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Socket posted 34 weeks ago.
It seems to me to be a witch hunt, with the possibility of actually finding one. I prefer to give Landis the benefit of the doubt, though. If they screwed up the easy tests, why should anyone believe the complicated test is at all accurate?
I don't know all the gory details, and I suppose this could be implemented in the future, but couldn't this be cleared up by having multiple isolated labs run the same tests on the same samples for comparison?
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stewarba posted 34 weeks ago.
Man I don't know, the whole thing seemed flawed from the beginning, but after watching some of this past year's race and the allegations and removals of teams and individuals it seems like everyone is on some kind of juice.
There is just so much sponsor money involved and the athletes are being asked to go out and perform at a high level day in and day out for what three weeks? I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm really not anymore. Pro athletes are asked to be able to do more and more to help sell this and that and when they get caught, noone stands behind them. Maybe instead of Landis being banned, they should ban his major sponsors. Once the folks holding the purse strings start getting punished, it will stop.
Just my .02
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djrez4 posted 34 weeks ago.
Bah to it all.
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gfd posted 34 weeks ago.
I have really enjoyed following the sport of cycling the last two years. I had not previously payed it much attention. With Floyd being found guilty and with the controversy with Vino and Rasmussen this year I need to rethink how I can watch the sport without rooting for anyone. Success seems to include an automatic cloud of suspician. If this is deserving or not seems to be quite a confusing question. Depressing situation.
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Anton posted 34 weeks ago.
I don't see cycling as a sport in the American sense of what sport is...I don't root for any one person or team...
At The Tour,for three weeks we watch the whole panoply of human emotion, attitude,strength and weakness, the pain the joy, the light and the dark, pass before us. You can see the same thing now at the Vuelta de Espania...I watch not to cheer for someone, but watch because...regardless of the negativity...it is amazing that we are capable of such thngs.
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RV posted 34 weeks ago.
Anton - there you go being all worldly and grown up! ;)
Me - I gotta have 'my' team and the arch-rival as well. :D
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gfd posted 34 weeks ago.
Anton;80374 wrote:
I don't see cycling as a sport in the American sense of what sport is...I don't root for any one person or team...
At The Tour,for three weeks we watch the whole panoply of human emotion, attitude,strength and weakness, the pain the joy, the light and the dark, pass before us.Well said. I need to start looking at it in the way I look at a marathon after I finish. It is powerful to see the end of such a struggle. With the tours and classics we get to see it all.
I just need to stop getting attached to certain riders based on their performances.
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Anton posted 34 weeks ago.
I only had one hero in my life...my Dad.
Hero worship leads to too many disappointments...because invariably our heros are just...human.
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RV posted 34 weeks ago.
Anton;80401 wrote:
I only had one hero in my life...my Dad.
Hero worship leads to too many disappointment...because invariably our heros are just...human.
No not hero's.
I try not to read much about an athlete other than their performance, training methods etc - try to avoid the personal - cuz you are right that there are too many disappointments there.
But picking a team or individual to root for puts a little more at stake - peaks the interest - for me anyway.
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PrinceofClydes posted 34 weeks ago.
2005 Tyler Hamilton breaks collar bone rides away from field to win a long stage - busted for doping
2006 - Landis loses huge ground, next day rides away from field to win a stage - busted for doping
2007 Rasmussen - beaten by Contadador, next day Rasmussen rides away from field to a stage win - busted for doping
1988 Seoul, Ben JOhnson sets world record by stunning margin against the best in the world at the Olympics - busted for doping
When outrageous performances like these occur it's hard for me to believe it's an unassisted win.
Take swimming, for decades world records were improved by tenths of a second then hundredths of a second, then, in 1972, the East German women appeared, broad shouldered, deep voices and ripped up the pool. Reason: steroids, HGH.
Then it settled down for a while, but, all of a sudden the Chinese women swimmers appeared and ripped up the pool - reason: steroids, not Ginseng.
Human athletic performance world-wide has reached a plateau in almost every sport. Improvements now will be only incremental, if done legitimately.
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Sully800 posted 34 weeks ago.
RV;80384 wrote:
Me - I gotta have 'my' team and the arch-rival as well. :D
My cycling friend rides in all Discovery gear. I wear a TMobile jersey. Rivalry at its finest!
I do like cheering for particular individuals in the Tour but like Anton, the great aspect is just the spectacle of absurdly fit athletes performing feats which are hard to fathom.
I'm saddened to see this result for the Landis case (especially because there were so many strange findings, none of it ever seemed to add up). It's hard to believe that any of the pros are clean when so many are busted every year. But I still have hope for the sport and for the dedicated riders who manage to fend off the doping pressure.
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RV posted 34 weeks ago.
Sully800;80428 wrote:
My cycling friend rides in all Discovery gear. I wear a a TMobile jersey. Rivalry at its finest!
TMobile?! Boo! Hiss! ;)
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BigGus posted 34 weeks ago.
Why would they think he's on steroids? He's not a baseball player.
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Sully800 posted 34 weeks ago.
BigGus;80432 wrote:
Why would they think he's on steroids? He's not a baseball player.
Steriods greatly increase the speed of muscle recovery. It's good for building huge muscle mass as everyone pictures, but it would also help your legs recover from a very tough bike workout or race. Thereby letting you go back out again and train harder and earlier than your clean opponents.
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BigGus posted 34 weeks ago.
Sully800;80439 wrote:
Steriods greatly increase the speed of muscle recovery. It's good for building huge muscle mass as everyone pictures, but it would also help your legs recover from a very tough bike workout or race. Thereby letting you go back out again and train harder and earlier than your clean opponents.
I know, it was a joke, I was being sarcastic.
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psychosyd posted 34 weeks ago.
I'm so tired of all of this. I know it has too happen to clean up sport. I know triathlon is definetely not immune.
I like the guy, hope he is clean, but I just don't have the patience to follow it anymore.
I'm waiting for the movie!
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stewarba posted 34 weeks ago.
PrinceofClydes;80424 wrote:
Human athletic performance world-wide has reached a plateau in almost every sport. Improvements now will be only incremental, if done legitimately.PoC
I was fortunate enough to be in Melbourne AU for the FINA world championships this past Spring and watched Michael Phelps rip up the pool. In the 200m butterfly he broke the world record by a body length. I actually meet him the next day on a flight to Sydney. I think there may be room for improvement in sports like swimming because technique is so important.
Check it out, this is nice clip on Phelps at the 2007 Worlds:
Phelps rips pool in Australia
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Leroy Bonkers posted 33 weeks ago.
Have any of you been following the developments with the Slipstream/Chipotle team? They have hired a bunch of Pro Tour Americans and are are taking a very strict approach to doping control.
Their manager Jonathan Vaughters says in this article: "Yes we will win, but isn't it really more important to be cool?" I couldn't agree more. If there is hope for the credibility of pro cycling this is where it is.
Already posted below in the cycling thread:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/6686943.stm
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