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started by jpaulson on September 14, 2007

Hello all!

I've got a question for you. Should I be limiting my top speeds on the bike?

I live in Missouri so most of my riding is up and down and up and down the whole time. On some of the downhills I can hit 40-45 mph. Is this too fast? I sometimes just have images in my head of my shredding skin sliding down the pavement because I hit something in the road.

Do you guys limit your top speed by breaking on intense downhills?

Thanks!

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azstinger11 posted 50 weeks ago.

My fastest was down Kitt Peak which is 12mi and you cover 4k ft (one way). It is the typical twisty mountain road. I was able to do 55 and had similar fears. My personal feeling is the top speed you go is not determined by physics but rather by your own personal comfort and more importantly experience level. As long as your equipment is in good shape that really isn't a limiting factor, though having said that there is no way I would go down that hill on my tri bike even though it is of a much higher quality.

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Red5 posted 50 weeks ago.

52mph dropping down the side of a decent climd here out in the mountains east of Phoenix.

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Iron Dan posted 50 weeks ago.

It is really a matter of personal comfort. The top speed I have hit was 49 mph. It was on my tri bike and I was very nervous. There is no way I would ever do it in my aerobars. When I am coming to a big downhill, I feel more comfortable on the outside of my bars with my hands near the brakes, so if I need them, I can react quickly.

The point is, use your brakes if you need them, if you are comfortable then you don't have to. Just be careful either way, because if the front wheel starts to wobble at these speeds, you need to be able to reach fast without panicking.

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UFTriGator posted 50 weeks ago.

I weight a lot, so my climbing isn't very good. Because of this, I need to be able to descend reasonable well to be able to keep up with people. This year at nationals I was doing close to 50 in my aerobars through turns while passing people. The more you ride, the more comfortable you get. I probably didn't use my brakes until I was about to dismount.

If you get a wobble, squeezing your top tube with your knees usually gets rid of it. It's caused by your body and bike hitting a resonant frequency, so changing the geometry (squeezing the top tube is like putting your finger on a fret on a guitar) will change that frequency. Don't squeeze the handlebars tighter, though....you'll likely amplify that resonance and make it worse.

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Iron Dan posted 50 weeks ago.

Thanks for the advice on that one. It has only happened once and I was able to get out of it. I'd like to be able to say that I will try it next time, but I hope that I never have to.

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azstinger11 posted 50 weeks ago.

dum dum dum resonant frequency of doom!!!! :eek:

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djrez4 posted 50 weeks ago.

The faster the better for me. I hit 48 on a hill during IMWI. My max speed ever is 58. Sure, you can hit a pebble and grind all of the skin off your body. What's life without risk?

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RV posted 50 weeks ago.

No real big long hills here - topped out upper 40's

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Triguy98 posted 50 weeks ago.

I've gone 48+ without a problem. Not too many long descents around here to really get hauling for a long time on.

MTBing will get your skills and confidence up. After going 30+ downhill on sketchy terrain, a road bike on a street is a piece of cake.

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jpaulson posted 50 weeks ago.

Thanks for the info guys. I have never really gotten to a point that I didn't feel comfortable, just the thought of crashing had me wondering.

Good advice on the wobble, hope I never have to use it though :)

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tri-ac posted 50 weeks ago.

i had always heard the squeeze the top tube advice but never knew that it was anything other than forcefully compensating for the wobble...interesting!

top speed for me was 52, and it definitely makes me nervous. I commandeer the full lane when I go faster than 30. I don't want anyone passing by too close!

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Anton posted 50 weeks ago.

Squeeezing the top tube going downhill not only stops wobble but gives you a cleaner line and a slight increase in speed.
62 mph off of Berthoud Pass in Colorado. Computer was calibrated using the rollout method, so I know it was spot on...

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Arnabio posted 50 weeks ago.

I hit 58 following Dave/djrez4 down Wolf Creek Pass last summer. I hit 48.71 in IMMoo per my powertap and I hit 56 this summer on Golden Gate Canyon Road outside of Golden, CO. Pretty happy as I only weight 165. It's a scary and stupid thing...just the way I like it

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RV posted 50 weeks ago.

Anton;79770 wrote:
...62 mph off of Berthoud Pass in Colorado. Computer was calibrated using the rollout method, so I know it was spot on...

Wow, That is fast!

My bike has gone that fast too, tho it was in the back of my truck at the time!

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catwood posted 50 weeks ago.

Mid 50s down a big hill in CT...

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Anton posted 50 weeks ago.

RV;79774 wrote:
Wow, That is fast!

My bike has gone that fast too, tho it was in the back of my truck at the time!

Very scary...not while I was doing it, because I was too busy watching the road...but later when I looked at my max speed...I got a little gooey

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kkocan posted 50 weeks ago.

On my tribike I top out at mid 40's. Hit 47 on one downhill last week at IMWI with a disc rear, that was plenty fast and was still in the aero bars.

On my roadbike I've topped 60mph before. That's plenty fast on a road bike. I remember it was on a long straight downhill that had a speed limit of 40mph for semi trucks and I remember passing several of them on the way down:) But that was when I was young and invincible (17 years ago), so I doubt I would do the same thing again.

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bhanrah posted 50 weeks ago.

so what are the top speeds like in le tour?

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Triguy98 posted 50 weeks ago.

I'd be calling all my friends bragging about how fast I went. My buddy and I raced our MTB down a mountain from peak to base, part single track, park (really rocky) fireroad, and part paved road. We were passing cars in the 40mph zone, but they were rented bikes with no computers. All I know is that it was FAST.

On the fire road, we had no prayer of stopping if we wanted to- the brakes on those bikes were iffy and the rocks would be to dangerous to stop on, so we just flew off em all. Tons of fun. Scary as heck, but I had a smile on my face the whole time.

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jerallen posted 50 weeks ago.

54 mph at Lake Stevens 70.3 this year, its a two lap course so i let it rip while in the aerobars on the second lap.

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UFTriGator posted 50 weeks ago.

Triguy98;79790 wrote:
I'd be calling all my friends bragging about how fast I went. My buddy and I raced our MTB down a mountain from peak to base, part single track, park (really rocky) fireroad, and part paved road. We were passing cars in the 40mph zone, but they were rented bikes with no computers. All I know is that it was FAST.

On the fire road, we had no prayer of stopping if we wanted to- the brakes on those bikes were iffy and the rocks would be to dangerous to stop on, so we just flew off em all. Tons of fun. Scary as heck, but I had a smile on my face the whole time.

wow....you're gonna die. :D

bhanrah: you'll see mid-60s pretty often in pro races on big descents.

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Ironmom posted 50 weeks ago.

I've gone 45 - 50 on my tri bike on some descents around here, but tell the truth I'm not really comfortable going fast, and it probably limits me somewhat in races because I won't go super-fast down hills I'm not familiar with. But I've been busted up too many times in my life (not necessarily bike crashes, but motorcycles and other things) to want to do it again. I like my skin and bones intact, thank you. So I don't go that fast.

I say go with what you are comfortable with. Make sure your bike is tightened up every now and then - the last thing you want is a speed wobble and something coming loose.

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Triguy98 posted 50 weeks ago.

UFTriGator;79795 wrote:
wow....you're gonna die. :D

Eventually. Hopefully not for a few more years. If it's on my MTB, that's fine. Better that than a hospital bed.

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Anton posted 50 weeks ago.

Years ago there was a song that used to play on a local radio station...done by the jocks.
"Death By Mis-adventure"... some of what I can remember:
"I want a death by mis-adventure. Want to die face down in some dude's pool. Don't want to go lying on my dentures...When I die Jack, it's gonna be real cool!"
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TriFatBoy posted 50 weeks ago.

Low 50's on one of the hills leading outta my house, pushing the big boy gears on the TT bike. Haven't done it since. That is scary fast.

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Amka posted 49 weeks ago.

I maxed out at 26 here a while ago...

Seriously, even that speed freaks me out. Go any faster and I want to don the leather jacket and denim. I haven't gone more than about 7 mile radius from my house, and there is a lot of construction going on this area too, so lots of rocks and pebbles to hit.

I'm sure freaking out at that speed that is bad for a race, though.

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Anton posted 49 weeks ago.

You don't have to be fast (whatever that means for you) at a race,Amka...just consistant...maintaining a steady pace on the bike...

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max ping posted 49 weeks ago.

what causes speed wobbles? i had them as a kid on a skateboard but never on a bike. i have been up to 51mph, but i ride a regular road bike. could it be the forward position on the aero bars. of course as a cyclist i have always squeezed the top tube with my thighs for aerodynamics and maybe that just always prevented it.
BTW, i am willing to go faster than 51 but my puny body seems to hold me back...

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UFTriGator posted 49 weeks ago.

max ping;80457 wrote:
what causes speed wobbles? i had them as a kid on a skateboard but never on a bike. i have been up to 51mph, but i ride a regular road bike. could it be the forward position on the aero bars. of course as a cyclist i have always squeezed the top tube with my thighs for aerodynamics and maybe that just always prevented it.
BTW, i am willing to go faster than 51 but my puny body seems to hold me back...

This is from earlier in the thread:
UFTriGator;79732 wrote:
It's caused by your body and bike hitting a resonant frequency, so changing the geometry (squeezing the top tube is like putting your finger on a fret on a guitar) will change that frequency. Don't squeeze the handlebars tighter, though....you'll likely amplify that resonance and make it worse.

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Nutty posted 49 weeks ago.

Man you guys make me feel slow.

We don't have much in the way of big hills around here, just lots of rollers. Ive gotten the ol schwinn up to 41mph, which got me yelled at by a local cop as i was in a 25 when it happened. No ticket though thankfully, just a stern talking to while he was almost laughing. But hey, hes still gotta do his job.

Holds the road like a champ too, not bad for a 28 year old bike.

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max ping posted 49 weeks ago.

a speeding ticket on a bike is a trophy:)

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Amka posted 49 weeks ago.

Woohoo! I just hit 30 mph today.

Note to self: a nice looking ride on the map can have ripped up roads, a monster hill, and drivers trying to be nice who are actually making you nervous.

That hill... Hoooo, I crested up a regular slight uphill and suddenly I see it. A huge dip. It goes down really far, and then it went up farther. There was no way I could have made it without the speed of going down first, and that is where I got my 30 mph. But I only really 'owned' the speed and made myself go much, much faster about halfway down, as the height of it loomed in front of me and I knew there was no other way out except to walk the bike.

I was gasping by the top of that uphill, but I made it going about 5mph I think. It is the 'crest' of my ride, and the rest is all downhill to home.

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Red5 posted 49 weeks ago.

UFTriGator;80460 wrote:
This is from earlier in the thread:

So true. I once got excessive wobbles at 45mph. I had to relax my grib on the horns and really ease the brakes to bring it back. I launced all my water bottles it was so bad and my buddy though I was going down for sure.

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UFTriGator posted 49 weeks ago.

Red5;80500 wrote:
So true. I once got excessive wobbles at 45mph. I had to relax my grib on the horns and really ease the brakes to bring it back. I launced all my water bottles it was so bad and my buddy though I was going down for sure.

My guess is that going rubber-side-up at 45 mph wouldn't be fun. I doubt I'd have the peace of mind to relax if I was wobbling that bad.

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