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Critique my Catch-Up Marathon Training Plan

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I have been sidelined with a severe ankle sprain that hasn't allowed me to run until about three weeks ago (but I have been able to bike.) So I am playing catch-up drastically to run the Columbus Marathon on October 21st, and I want to qualify for Boston (3:30 for me). My fastest marathon is 3:34 at the same race two years ago.

I have a pretty good base from the biking, but time is short. I have less than six weeks left. Here's what I've been doing and plan to do to try to get ready in time:

Monday: 6 miles - close to AT (160-170 bpm)
Wednesday: 7 miles - close to AT (160-170 bpm)
Friday: 8 miles - close to AT (160 -170 bpm)

My max run HR is 183

Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday - Cross train - easy bike

Sunday - 16 to 18 miles at desired race pace (7:49 m/m)

Your thoughts? I can't afford a coach right now, but I want to get this right. I used a similar training plan to PR a half-ironman run (1:41) earlier this year, which matched my previous stand-alone half-marathon PR.

Should I up my long run? I have been going on Mitch Gold's recommendation to keep the long runs limited to about two hours (but going just a little extra).

My short runs feel very good and strong.

Speed hurts; how fast do you want to go?

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vanjames posted 1 year ago.

looks pretty good. I personally would try to get my long run up to about 20miles 3-4 weeks out then taper so you are pretty close but you are much quicker than me.

I had the best marathon of my Ironman attempts and never did a training run longer than 2:45 so I think there's definitey somethng to staying on the lighter side.

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Sling posted 1 year ago.

vanjames;79271 wrote:
looks pretty good. I personally would try to get my long run up to about 20miles 3-4 weeks out then taper so you are pretty close but you are much quicker than me.

I had the best marathon of my Ironman attempts and never did a training run longer than 2:45 so I think there's definitey somethng to staying on the lighter side.

I'm seriously considering doing that. If I do take my long run to 2:45 at my race pace, that would put me right about 21 miles.

That will also give me a good idea of where I am. If I can get to 21 miles by 2:45, I think nothing short of a broken leg is going to stop me from getting to Boston. Pure adrenalin will take over at that point.

Speed hurts; how fast do you want to go?

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vanjames posted 1 year ago.

No doubt - good luck - make sure you have your nutrition down at that point as well - don't want any electrolyte deficiencies to hit you at that point.

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bdriven710 posted 1 year ago.

Along those same lines, minus the Boston qualification, I am wondering if I can get ready for the Cbus marathon? I am currently signed up for the 1/2. I recently did a 1/2 in 1 hr 47 and felt pretty good after. Most mileage I have put in for one run is about 15. If I follow a similar plan would I be able to do the full marathon on Oct 31? 20-22 miles during the week and then a long 15-20 miler every weekend for the next month or so?

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

Ok I have to say it... anytime people talk about "catching up" in a training plan it scares me... most of those don't need you adding any extra runs beyond what is scheduled. Sometimes you have to adjust for life, but pushing too hard too soon can lead to injury. So be sure you are listening to your body!

bdriven -- It's not a lot of time, so it would depend on your goal. If you want to finish, yeah, you could. You are already in pretty good shape. However, do you want your first marathon to be something you rushed into, and that hurts a lot, and that you leave feeling "I could have done so much better!"? Or do you want to really prepare for it, have a good taper, and go in knowing you put the miles in the bank?

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kylie;79317 wrote:
Ok I have to say it... anytime people talk about "catching up" in a training plan it scares me... most of those don't need you adding any extra runs beyond what is scheduled. Sometimes you have to adjust for life, but pushing too hard too soon can lead to injury. So be sure you are listening to your body!

bdriven -- It's not a lot of time, so it would depend on your goal. If you want to finish, yeah, you could. You are already in pretty good shape. However, do you want your first marathon to be something you rushed into, and that hurts a lot, and that you leave feeling "I could have done so much better!"? Or do you want to really prepare for it, have a good taper, and go in knowing you put the miles in the bank?

Good point. I guess part of me wants to do the full because I just did a 1/2. I am signed up for the 1/2 during the full with a friend. I have until Oct. 1 to decide if I want to upgrade to the full. My train of thought is like .."well...I just did a 1/2 and it was a pretty relaxed, enjoyable race. Why not go for the full instead of doing another 1/2. Heck, I did a 1/2 last saturday morning for training. So I kind of want to see if I can step it up and do the full. I don't care too much about my time. I will have multiple races in my future to improve on time." We'll see. If I can talk my running partner into it I might go for it!

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MNGoldGo4 posted 1 year ago.

My thoughts echo Kylie, as well. Playing "catch up" most often results in getting injured and/or sets you up for a disappointing race. You stated that you had "recently" finished a 1/2. How recent was that? Keep in mind that if it was within the last couple of weeks, your body is still recovering from the race and is even more vulnerable to injury. I can understand that you are probably riding on cloud nine from your recent accomplishment and now want to tackle a full marathon...just don't become too overzealous. If it were me, I would stick to running the 1/2...with now having a particular time goal, instead of just finishing. Hopefully, that race will be successful and motivate you even more to run a full. Then you can carefully choose a spring marathon in 2008 and take the proper time to train.

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Sling posted 1 year ago.

kylie;79317 wrote:
Ok I have to say it... anytime people talk about "catching up" in a training plan it scares me... most of those don't need you adding any extra runs beyond what is scheduled. Sometimes you have to adjust for life, but pushing too hard too soon can lead to injury. So be sure you are listening to your body!

Thanks Kylie. You're right. I know it's a fine line. I say "catching up" because I am not training as I would if I were just starting out - I am not doing any "extra runs" but I am pushing a little harder (higher heart rate on the week-day runs) than I normally would three weeks into a training program, but hopefully not to the point where I injure myself.

Hopefully after an Ironman, several half-irons, and a half-dozen marathons, I THINK have a pretty good feel for what my body can handle and can't, but it's sometimes hard to tell even now.

Getting to Boston is a huge goal of mine, so I'm going to try. Pushing your limits is part of life sometimes, too. No guts, no glory [Or as someone once put it, I'm just going to "push my body and see what happens"] ;)

Speed hurts; how fast do you want to go?

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amyro1234 posted 1 year ago.

Good job on your training everyone! I hope you all accomplish your goals. I am thiniking about signing up for the colombus half marathon as my first half marathon. I'll see how the training goes! Has anybody here ever ran Colombus before and know what the race is like?

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

All those who have suffered from too much too fast please raise their hands?
(Yes that would be me.)
Be cautious and listen to your body...better to go a little under trained than a tad over. That being said...if, on a long run you can squeak out a bit more say push out to 21 or 22 on a 20 mile day will help a lot...but only do it, if at twenty, you are feeling good.

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Sling posted 1 year ago.

bdriven710;79313 wrote:
Along those same lines, minus the Boston qualification, I am wondering if I can get ready for the Cbus marathon? I am currently signed up for the 1/2. I recently did a 1/2 in 1 hr 47 and felt pretty good after. Most mileage I have put in for one run is about 15. If I follow a similar plan would I be able to do the full marathon on Oct 31? 20-22 miles during the week and then a long 15-20 miler every weekend for the next month or so?

I would say, go for it. Sure. You've got the speed, you've got the base, it sounds like you have the legs.

I did my first one on a lot less preparation than you have. I didn't too well, but finishing was still one of the best moments of my life. And, most importantly, it gave me the confidence to know that I can do it, and with proper training do pretty well.

Subsequently, I trained harder and smarter the next year and took 43 minutes off my previous time.

That's my 2cents.

Speed hurts; how fast do you want to go?

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Sling posted 1 year ago.

amyro1234;79331 wrote:
Good job on your training everyone! I hope you all accomplish your goals. I am thiniking about signing up for the colombus half marathon as my first half marathon. I'll see how the training goes! Has anybody here ever ran Colombus before and know what the race is like?

Ran it two years ago. It's flat, fast and fun. Lot's of crowd support, great volunteers. Overall, a very good race.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

Sling;79328 wrote:
Thanks Kylie. You're right. I know it's a fine line. I say "catching up" because I am not training as I would if I were just starting out - I am not doing any "extra runs" but I am pushing a little harder (higher heart rate on the week-day runs) than I normally would three weeks into a training program, but hopefully not to the point where I injure myself.

Getting to Boston is a huge goal of mine, so I'm going to try. Pushing your limits is part of life sometimes, too. No guts, no glory ;)

Ok that makes sense, but keep in mind also that RECOVERY TIME is when your body processes the work you've done. So if you are doing all your runs harder, you might not be getting the same benefits as your body might be too beat up to actually use it.

I agree with pushing limits -- but if you can't get to the starting line I see that as even worse than missing the goal by a few minutes.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

Anton;79337 wrote:
All those who have suffered from too much too fast please raise their hands?
(Yes that would be me.)
Be cautious and listen to your body...better to go a little under trained than a tad over. That being said...if, on a long run you can squeak out a bit more say push out to 21 or 22 on a 20 mile day will help a lot...but only do it, if at twenty, you are feeling good.

*raises hand*

One of my biggest goals is to reach awesome goals of new distances and better times still, but without hurting myself. Hobbling at work isn't a sign of accomplishment except the day after a race!

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Sling posted 1 year ago.

Anton;79337 wrote:
All those who have suffered from too much too fast please raise their hands?
(Yes that would be me.)

Anton, on a site for type A triathletes, a better question, might be, who HASN'T suffered from too much too fast ;)

But having settled the issue that I need to be careful and listen to my body (agreed!), what do you all think about my training schedule?? :confused:

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

Sling;79348 wrote:
But having settled the issue that I need to be careful and listen to my body (agreed!), what do you all think about my training schedule?? :confused:

From what you posted initially I have no idea... I couldn't tell what your original schedule called for or how you were adjusting it. Since each training plan is different, a big thing is picking one you like and TRUSTING IT.

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Sling posted 1 year ago.

Good enough. I'll pick the one I have and trust it, and let you know how it goes.

Speed hurts; how fast do you want to go?