basic newb question 2
I carry a blowout bag even in a very short sprint. No sense getting a DNF for something so trivial. Yes, my bike time will be shot, but I can still try to get my best run time, etc.
Unless I've got a serious injury or the bike is completely shot, I don't think I'd purposefully DNF myself. The quick rest might do you enough good that you could make up some of the time.
If you're really worried about losing that much time to a blown tire, do some pit-stop practice.
And really, who wouldn't want to say "I nearly drowned, blew a tire, and lost a shoe and STILL finished."? That's some badassery right there. :D
Depends on how much the race is taking out of you and your goals. Personally, I like to be able to change it, accept the misfortune, and keep going. But the guys out there for the $$ can be smart to say "It's not my day" and to drop out and minimize the time they need to recover, or to sub in a workout that will help them more -- although that is more true of longer stuff, it does play a small role at any distance.
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just finish on the rims:)
Esp. if you borrowed the bike or wheels :p
I think my wheelguy would be less happy to hook me up with with wheels again if I ever tried that!
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Finish the race.
RV
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Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
Always finish the race. Plus, in a sprint - even if you lose 10 minutes fixing it - there will always be people slower ;)
But, more importantly - it teaches you how to fix the issue under pressure, so for larger events you won't be as frazzled by it.
-Ray
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And really, who wouldn't want to say "I nearly drowned, blew a tire, and lost a shoe and STILL finished."? That's some badassery right there. :D
:)
gotta love that attitude, thanks
i was doing an off-road duathlon recently when my handlebars on my bike became very loose. i stopped to tighten then but within moments they were twisting again so i tried to ride anyways, which caused me to fall and mess up my front derailler which kept me from pedalling....so i walked off.
at the end, and to this day i wish i had coasted the downhills and run it up the hills.
do what you can to earn that race number. if you have to fix your tire twice and come in last place, you'll be happy you came in.
Sorry, another question.What do you do in a short race if you get a puncture?
Do you stop, fix it and return to the race or do you just accept the fact you'll be losing so much time you DNF and grab a cool drink and an early shower?
/k
Never DNF unless you cannot walk. I fix it, accept the crap and move on. Don't be a wuss.
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I dont carry a spare for sprints. Oly and longer, yes. I havent flatted in a sprint yet. Might change my tune after I do. I did flat during an Oly once, but didnt realize it until I was done.
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If you can't fix your bike, do you have to carry it to transition to finish, or can you leave the bike with a volunteer and run to transition?
I am pretty sure that if you don't want to DNF, you need to cross the line into T2 with your bike, either carrying it or pushing it.
you must take your bike with you. I believe you are allowed forward progress by foot on the bike portion, but the gear's gotta come with you. I'm sure Kyillee will be able to post some kind of rule about this...
Ya, you must complete the bike leg with your bike. Carrying it is fine.
A guy at an IM was hit on the bike - and carried/ran with it for 6 miles to finish the bike leg.
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hahaha... if you really want the rule and it's number...
USAT rules Article 3, section 3.4:
h. Abandoned Equipment. No participant shall leave any equipment or personal gear on the race course. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable time penalty.
Come on... you guys can master the search of the rules PDF ;)
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As others have said, it has to be with you. How isn't a concern as long as it's under your own power.
It's similar to the swim, and the fact that if it's shallow enough you can legally walk through the water, as I've been told.
"Care more than others think is wise, risk more than others think is safe, dream more than others think is practical, expect more than others think is possible."
hahaha... if you really want the rule and it's number...USAT rules Article 3, section 3.4:
h. Abandoned Equipment. No participant shall leave any equipment or personal gear on the race course. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable time penalty.Come on... you guys can master the search of the rules PDF ;)
In some ways, I wish you were required to mark your items (such as waterbottles) with your name in perm marker. Yesterday there were so many bottles dropped on the 70.3 that I did. And I'm not talking the ones that were likely from bumps or something. I'm talking blatant tossing of water bottles on the road. There was also the tube and CO2 bottle left behind on the shoulder (which was where people were biking because it was an active highway). Also fairly annoying.
Speaking of flats, yesterday during the last 20 or so miles my tire developed a slow leak, definitely painful - but I just kept on adding air every 10 miles until I made it across. Slowed my pace for sure, but better than changing the tube.
-Ray
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OK then, what is the best (smallest/most compact) set of tools for carrying with you during a race?
Really now that I think about it, I guess I have been fortunate enough to have not had a flat away from my house yet since I don't carry a kit anywhere. Everytime I have had a flat its always been getting ready to head out and notice that one of my tires is flat and one time they were both flat. Of course now I have just jinxed myself.
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I was the same way until I got a flat and had to make the 8 mile hike back to my house in spandex, that was enough for me to get a kit. I carry two tire levers, a tube, and a CO2 pump. Its just enough for me to get back from anywhere if I get a flat. There is probably something else that I should carry that I don't know about until something happens and I need it.
When I train my saddle bag has: 3 CO2s (12g unthreaded because they are cheaper -- at wallmart you can get the ones used for paintball guns), a tube, a stick-on patch kit, a CO2 pump that works with unthreaded CO2, 2 tire levers, and a couple dollar bills (to boot the tire if I get a sidewall issue).
I just don't want to get stuck or have to pay for threaded CO2s for each flat, and I don't mind having to ride home without optimal tire pressure.
When I race, I carry: 2 CO2s (16g threaded), a tube, a stick-on patch kit (sometimes), a Microflate, 2 tire levers, a couple dollar bills, and a Vittoria Pit Stop. I just want to be able to fix it myself if possible, get the best tire pressure I can, and keep on racing.
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Also make sure that everything you have in your bag actually works. When I bought my bike a year and a half ago I got a saddle bag and kit to go with it. I never needed it until 2 months ago when I punctured a tire 4 miles from home. I got everything changed fine, but when I went to air up the tire my valve stem on my spare tube was too short. It wasn't that fun carrying my bike home, but I learned a lesson and was fortunate it didn't happen during a race or too far from home.
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My training saddle bag is huge. Mini pump, 2 spares, tire levers, Park 8 mini tool, room for gatorade powder, extra food, and a really compressed jacket for the winter.
My racing bag- old GT bag that fits in the palm of my hand. It can hold 2 Co2s, one spare, patch kit, and two levers.
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My little saddle bag includes:
1) One tube
2) Three tire levers
3) Usually between $10-15 in bills (mostly in case I need something to drink or if I need to purchase anything for any reason).
4) Two zip ties (ya never know when you might need them
5) Two advil (again, ya never know)
6) Emergency ID tag/phone numbers in case something happens to me
7) Mini-pump (on bike, not bag) - I'm planning on figuring out CO2 sometime this winter.
-Ray
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Not to get too off topic, but I tend to keep the emergency/drink stuff separate -- I use a ziplock bag (snack size) in my jersey pocket that has an older drivers license, a medical insurance card, a list of phone numbers, a credit card, some cash, and my cell phone. When I did need the emergency info (before I started that system) my bike wasn't with me (ambulance = someone took my bike home and gave a phone number to get it back) and I wasn't in a frame of mind to have grabbed anything off it before hand. I also have a road ID on my bike computer, but again, that would have still be less useful at the crash. One of the worst parts of the crash (well, mentally) was that I couldn't remember phone numbers, someone had taken my cell to try and get ahold of family after no one was allowed to go with me, and I was in some other county in a hospital -- I felt soooo alone (when I could think again).
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Not to get too off topic, but I tend to keep the emergency/drink stuff separate -- I use a ziplock bag (snack size) in my jersey pocket that has an older drivers license, a medical insurance card, a list of phone numbers, a credit card, some cash, and my cell phone. When I did need the emergency info (before I started that system) my bike wasn't with me (ambulance = someone took my bike home and gave a phone number to get it back) and I wasn't in a frame of mind to have grabbed anything off it before hand. I also have a road ID on my bike computer, but again, that would have still be less useful at the crash. One of the worst parts of the crash (well, mentally) was that I couldn't remember phone numbers, someone had taken my cell to try and get ahold of family after no one was allowed to go with me, and I was in some other county in a hospital -- I felt soooo alone (when I could think again).
That's a good point about putting the ID on me. Perhaps I'll just get the thing hooked on my shoes, the back pocket would work well also - but I usually forget things that I'm supposed to put in there.
-Ray
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That's a good point about putting the ID on me. Perhaps I'll just get the thing hooked on my shoes, the back pocket would work well also - but I usually forget things that I'm supposed to put in there.
I keep the ziplock with all the contents but the phone in my helmet :)
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wirebook,
theres nothing to the co2. you just put it in the contraption, screw on the top and stick it on like regular pump head... then pull the trigger.
for anyone who cares( and wants to save even more space), i keep one of the two co2 cartidges i carry in the "contraption". i point the business end down so that it is not able to be activated and i screw it together with only a slight turn (enough to keep it together, but not hurt the mechanism) i have a teency saddle bag with a 1)tube,2) two co2's, and 3) the "contraption". since i don't run wire bead tires i can remove my tires with my hands. one day i plan to purchase one of those ankle ID's, for now i carry cell and drivers license in my jersey.
USAT rules Article 3, section 3.4:
h. Abandoned Equipment. No participant shall leave any equipment or personal gear on the race course. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable time penalty.
Look at the rules again I found an even more explicit rule for this one in the bicycling conduct section:
5.2 Forward Progress. Participants shall not make any forward progress unaccompanied by their bicycle. If a bicycle is rendered inoperable, a participant may proceed on the cycling course, running or walking, while pushing or carrying the bicycle, so long as the bicycle is pushed or carried in a manner not to obstruct or impede the progress of other participants. Any violation of this section shall result in disqualification.
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Hey kylie where did you find a CO2 pump that works on unthreaded cartridges? I have a microflat and these dang cartridges are starting to get expensive, as in starting to endanger the beer funds!
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I have a Hurricane Quick Shot Pro (or something similar enough that from that image and description I think that is it).
Oh, and someone earlier mentioned putting a CO2 upside down in teh pump to save space in the bike bag, and one thing I like about my CO2 pump is that the bottom actually has a hole that the neck of the CO2 fits out -- so I can screw the top on the pump completely while the CO2 is upside down. I find that helps reduce rattle. Another rattle-reducer (while I'm already off-topic again ;)) is to wrap the CO2 that goes upside down in the pump with the 2 dollar bills I keep for booting tires :)
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Look at the rules again I found an even more explicit rule for this one in the bicycling conduct section:
5.2 Forward Progress. Participants shall not make any forward progress unaccompanied by their bicycle. If a bicycle is rendered inoperable, a participant may proceed on the cycling course, running or walking, while pushing or carrying the bicycle, so long as the bicycle is pushed or carried in a manner not to obstruct or impede the progress of other participants. Any violation of this section shall result in disqualification.
Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of... I guess I really ought to start searching this stuff myself.
wirebook,theres nothing to the co2. you just put it in the contraption, screw on the top and stick it on like regular pump head... then pull the trigger.
for anyone who cares( and wants to save even more space), i keep one of the two co2 cartidges i carry in the "contraption". i point the business end down so that it is not able to be activated and i screw it together with only a slight turn (enough to keep it together, but not hurt the mechanism) i have a teency saddle bag with a 1)tube,2) two co2's, and 3) the "contraption". since i don't run wire bead tires i can remove my tires with my hands. one day i plan to purchase one of those ankle ID's, for now i carry cell and drivers license in my jersey.
I've heard that the CO2 is a one-shot system, is that the case, or can you adjust how much goes in? Meaning, can I stop and then restart again?
-Ray
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I keep the ziplock with all the contents but the phone in my helmet :)
In? In where?
-Ray
Tri Blog: Http://dcrainmaker.blogspot.com
In? In where?
Just sitting in the helmet... I mean at home, as a reply to a comment about forgetting to put stuff you want in your jersey pocket before leaving home. That's how I remember it.
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I've heard that the CO2 is a one-shot system, is that the case, or can you adjust how much goes in? Meaning, can I stop and then restart again?
It depends on the pump and system you have. With the one I posted a link to earlier, you don't have to use all of it, but it will slowly leak out over time. I believe with the microflate it's a one-time only deal -- you can adjust the speed the air flows out by how you screw in the cartridge, but you can't really save half of it if you only needed half (from what I remember). A single cartridge is about what is needed to fill a tube so usually you'll find you just use all of it.
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I did a race over the summer and had my first flat on the bike...it was a 10 mile ride..5 out 5 back...and i was crusen on my aero bars becuase i had a bet going for the bike ride....i was either looking too far down the road or lookn at my speed when i suddenly saw a 2 inch deep 1 food diameter hold in front of me...i was able to get my arms over to the sides of my bars but couldnt swerve away from it, so i lifted my front wheel off and let the back wheel hit.....5 seconds later i hear...pshhhew pshhhew pshhew.....i yelled a few foul words and then ran the last 4 miles of the ride barefoot in because i dont take replacements for sprints.....i then did the 5k run and you would not believe the inspiration that gave people during the run.....they would say thank you for not giving up because they saw me running it in then going by them on the run.
Never DNF on your own unless it's for medical reasons. Make them pull you off the course if you are over the time limit.
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If you get a flat, and don't have a tube, Suck it up and run it in!!!
Allway, fix the flat. It is way more mentally debilitating to DNF than it is to "overcome" the challenge. If you are good you can replace a clincher in a couple of minutes. This should only have a small impact on your overall time.
I carry a spare tube/CO2 cartridge. If you aren't really good at chaninging a tire you may want tire levers as well. And if you are really paraoid, there are very small pre-glued patches you can throw in in case of a second flat!
Just make sure you check the inside of your tire while fixing hte flat so that you don't get a second one!








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Sorry, another question.
What do you do in a short race if you get a puncture?
Do you stop, fix it and return to the race or do you just accept the fact you'll be losing so much time you DNF and grab a cool drink and an early shower?
/k