Tubular Tires
Check out the Vittoria Pit Stop (available at many bike shops around me). I race on clinchers, but have carried one of those my last half and full IMs as the 1st fix for a puncture flat. I am nervous though and also carried a spare tube and 2 spare CO2s. My boyfriend races on tubulars and carried a Pit Stop as a first line of fixing (and that was it for half IM), and a spare with CO2 as the second line (for a full IM).
Oh, and to carry it all he had it in an old (cut down) water bottle behind the seat -- that fit the spare tubular, the CO2s, and the inflator. He electrical taped the Pit Stop to that. Only issue he had was that the racks in transition were a bit short for his bike, so balancing it without using the back of the seat had to be creative (ended up using the aerobar extensions). If you run a bag on the back of your bike, the medium size ones will fit the CO2s, inflater, and Pit Stop (that's what I did -- also fit a spare clincher tube in it) but not the spare tubular.
I race on clinchers, but have heard of people putting a spare tire (or tubes, if you like) in their special needs bag. That way, if you must change the tire during the first half of the race you can retrieve another spare in case of a mishap in the second half.
Of course if you roll through some glass and flat both tires at once you are up the proverbial creek.
I usually race on tubulars and I just strap 2 spares onto the Xlab. I don't want to mess with special needs and whether or not I'll remember to take it or not (and don't want to give up a tubular), so I'll take the slight extra weight and deal with 2 spares on board.
Two spares. One on the bike the other in special needs if I flatten on the first lap...if it's one big loop,wo spares on the bike....and make sure your current rubber is good...
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I rode on tubulars last year at IMC. I carried two tubbies strapped under my saddle with leather straps. and I carry a frame pump.
Unless you are racing for a Kona slot, being aero and superlight in weight are not considerations.
It's an expedition into the wilderness, plan accordingly.
PoC
"Pain doesn't last, chicks dig scars, glory is forever!"
- Shane Falco.

I race and flatted my rear tubular at IMAZ. Chaning a tubular is NOT hard. It's easier than a clincher. Just make sure your spare has been well streched mounted on a wheel. All you need to do is pry off the tire from the rim using your tire lever and then you can just rip it off. The spare mounts super fast, pump it up good with your CO2 and it WILL hold! I raced over 80 miles on a spare with no problems and still manged to qualify for Kona :). Don't fear the tubee, they are simple. I carry one spare, one CO2, one tire lever, and one MicroInflate and leave an extra spare and CO2 in special needs.
DO NOT use the Vittoria PitStop! If you do and the puncture won't seal, it makes a huge mess and wastes time. Just change it and go.
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
DO NOT use the Vittoria PitStop! If you do and the puncture won't seal, it makes a huge mess and wastes time. Just change it and go.
I'd say part of this comes down to if you can tell the type of flat it was... there are definitely times I wouldn't bother with it, but for many cases it works really well (from what others have experienced).
I'd say part of this comes down to if you can tell the type of flat it was... there are definitely times I wouldn't bother with it, but for many cases it works really well (from what others have experienced).
Does Vittoria Pit Stop work well with the ZIPP Valve extensions?
Does Vittoria Pit Stop work well with the ZIPP Valve extensions?
I don't know of anyone who has tried that, and happily I didn't need to at IMKY ;)
i raced last IM Wisc on tubulars with Vittoria Pit Stop. Put the stuff in the tire before you put on the valve extension. Then put the tire on the rim.
It worked well for me last year. I didnt carry a spare with me, as the pit stop will hold for for at least a day if you get a hole. I noticed the next day that i had a small crack on brand new tires, the pit stop was what plugged the hole and allowed me to race.
I put a extra tubular in my special needs bag. that way support could get it if need be.
Forza Nerazzurri
i raced last IM Wisc on tubulars with Vittoria Pit Stop. Put the stuff in the tire before you put on the valve extension. Then put the tire on the rim.It worked well for me last year. I didnt carry a spare with me, as the pit stop will hold for for at least a day if you get a hole. I noticed the next day that i had a small crack on brand new tires, the pit stop was what plugged the hole and allowed me to race.
I put a extra tubular in my special needs bag. that way support could get it if need be.
Huh I hadn't heard of using the Pitt Stop before hand (basically making slime tubes, right?) But instead as using it once there was a flat to seal and repump the tube.
One of the great things about this forum is that I am always picking up little tidbits of information from you guys. I am signed up for IMARIZ and have never been in a special needs bag situation. The idea of putting an extra, extra tire or tube in a special needs seems so simple and obvious...yeah, now that I have heard it. Thanks
Huh I hadn't heard of using the Pitt Stop before hand (basically making slime tubes, right?) But instead as using it once there was a flat to seal and repump the tube.
Yeah, I know there's another product that's supposed to be a pre-seal that you put in a few days before the race that's meant to help prevent punctures. I had some put into my tires before IMAZ...and still got a flat!
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
Tip for getting your tubulars off - if you're worried.
I always leave a stretch of the rim (maybe 4 inches) on the opposite side from the valve (so I can remember where it is). The area with no glue will make it easier to get the tire off without having to carry any tools.
any good sites with images to see how to change a tire? i've never got one and anytime i stop by a bike shop to learn they're "too busy"...any help would be greatly appreciated-i'm super nervous about getting a flat, and race day in sunday
any good sites with images to see how to change a tire? i've never got one and anytime i stop by a bike shop to learn they're "too busy"...any help would be greatly appreciated-i'm super nervous about getting a flat, and race day in sunday
REI offers a basic bike maintenance clinic if there is one near you. Or call the shop and ask them to set up a time to help you fix a flat by talking you through it -- if they aren't willing, look at other shops in your area ;)
But if you are stuck to online, Sheldon Brown (a pretty well-respected name in bike maintenance, etc) has an article up: http://sheldonbrown.com/flats.html. It doesn't have too many images though.
Looks like there are a couple videos on youtube like http://youtube.com/watch?v=bAa0iN4wrhU. Although I didn't watch the whole thing so can't comment on if i do it the same :)
Looks like there are a couple videos on youtube like http://youtube.com/watch?v=bAa0iN4wrhU. Although I didn't watch the whole thing so can't comment on if i do it the same :)
The tire changing video makes me laugh for the subtle un-mentioned things.
This guy chose a 700x38 tire to change which, like mountain bike tires, is one of the easiest to change - chosen no doubt to make him look good! And he chose the FRONT wheel!
Changing a NEW 700x23c with kevlar beads can be like wrestling a boa constrictor, especially standing up on the side of a highway in the rain.
He did it sitting down, in the bike shop, using an air compressor hose to inflate, WITH the bike clamped in a bike stand, and using a used tire! Just how easy can you make it for yourself?
In addition, the Baby Powder in the bag trick, while useful, is not something you will have out on the road.
I'd like to see the YOU-TUBE video of the woman, in the rain, with a rear-wheel flat (messy chain oil), a tight, new kevlar beaded tire, nowhere to sit down, one tire lever (just as he had) a 700x23, no baby powder, big trucks whizzing by, and only a mini-pump!!! - then let's see how easy it looks!
PoC
"Pain doesn't last, chicks dig scars, glory is forever!"
- Shane Falco.

I'd like to see the YOU-TUBE video of the woman, in the rain, with a rear-wheel flat (messy chain oil), a tight, new kevlar beaded tire, nowhere to sit down, one tire lever (just as he had) a 700x23, no baby powder, big trucks whizzing by, and only a mini-pump!!! - then let's see how easy it looks!PoC
and 40deg temps, too...
Adam
Tri-ac
and 40deg temps, too...
40 degrees, in the rain. Perfect!
Sounds like Kona.
PoC
"Pain doesn't last, chicks dig scars, glory is forever!"
- Shane Falco.

Hello, I'm doing Ironman Wisconsin this weekend and I'm worried stiff that I will flat on my tubulars. I carry one extra along with two CO2 blasts. Should I carry two extras? I'm interested in how others manage their spare tire setup.
any good sites with images to see how to change a tire? i've never got one and anytime i stop by a bike shop to learn they're "too busy"...any help would be greatly appreciated-i'm super nervous about getting a flat, and race day in sunday
So, back on topic..
1. Pre-stretch the tubular tire, loop it around your foot and pull hard on it - avoid damaging the valve stem or hang it for a couple of days over a door handle (over a towel to avoid kinking the tire) with a weight on the tire, again, avoid kinking the rubber.
How much stretching you ask? Try it on the rim to see when it is easy to apply. If it goes on easy, it is stretched enough. Obviously this is something to be done a week or more before the day of need, but if it is not pre-stretched you can still get it on the rim. It just needs strong thumbs.
Glue - you can apply glue to the tire and let it dry for several days - say, hanging on the door handle. That is enough adhesive to secure it on the day of need without worrying about rolling it off the rim and doing a Beloki. I am assured this is very unlikely - a freak accident. Almost nobody rides a wheel as hard as those guys do anyway, especially not in a TT like an Ironman.
2. Applying the spare: As Kiwi noted above, a glueless patch opposite the valve stem will give you a place where you can get a grip on the tube to pull it off the rim. Set the flat tire aside. If standing, fit the valve of the (uninflated) new tire in place, then pull that part of the tire / wheel into your lap. Begin fitting the tire on the rim by working it into place with each hand moving up the rim away from you. With 3/4s of the tire in place you will need to force the tire onto the remaining rim with your thumbs. Get your thumbs underneath the tire and slide the edge over the rim. If it is sufficiently pre-stretched it should pop on with only a little effort. If it feels like you are breaking your thumbs, get someone to pull from the other side.
3. Inspect that the tire is centred on the rim all the way around and inflate it. It should fit on the bike even when inflated but if your brake blocks are set very close it may be easier to mount the wheel before inflating.
Glue is not strictly necessary. 100lbs of air pressure makes the tire very hard to remove. Try it and see for yourself. Applying glue on the road then trying to install a tubular on the rim is a VERY messy job, best not done on race day. Pre-glue as above several days before, let it dry. It is enough.
PoC
"Pain doesn't last, chicks dig scars, glory is forever!"
- Shane Falco.

Just an addition to #2 that I've found. Once you start working the tire on the rim make sure to pull both sides taut as you work it around the rim. Any part of the tire that's not taut as you're putting it on is just making getting those last few inches on that much harder, if not impossible (with a fair bit of sag).
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I used Tufo's version of PitStop, and I carry two Co2, a Microflate, and a spare Tubular.
After the last race, I found several spots where the 'Slime' had sealed a small puncture. For what it's worth, I'd rather ride the last 10 miles down a few psi, rather than changing a tire tubular or not!
Darrell "Legs 'n Lungs" Lenkner
in West Chester, Oh.
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REI offers a basic bike maintenance clinic if there is one near you. Or call the shop and ask them to set up a time to help you fix a flat by talking you through it -- if they aren't willing, look at other shops in your area ;)But if you are stuck to online, Sheldon Brown (a pretty well-respected name in bike maintenance, etc) has an article up: http://sheldonbrown.com/flats.html. It doesn't have too many images though.
Looks like there are a couple videos on youtube like http://youtube.com/watch?v=bAa0iN4wrhU. Although I didn't watch the whole thing so can't comment on if i do it the same :)
This is great! thanks (: of course i definitely need to attend a clinic as you mentioned---at least now i have a good idea of what i need to do. it must seem so easy for those of you who have done it 473902480 times, but for a newbie its like having to analyze a strand of DNA (:
and thanks POC---your description is greatly appreciated- if only i could have the internet and your advice DURING the race (: Anyone looking for a job as a race assistant? you can run next to me during the race and fix any necessary problems (: o geez if only!
As luck will have it, I had a blow out during Ironman Wisconsin. After 4 years of doing triathlons, it was my first flat.
I carried two extra tires. I had a hard time getting the flat off. It must have been a small hole, because there was still a lot of psi in the tire. Using valve extenders on my ZIPPS, next time I will carry a paper clip to release the pressure. Two wonderful Verona residents helped to get the tire off and to get me back on the course. I think I only lost 10 minutes. The new tire held well even without glue. Great race and boy were the hills tough.
Congrats on facing one of your fears for the race and getting through it! :)
A great way to stretch your tire or, more importantly, your spare tire, buy a super cheap used 700 tubular rim and mount, without glue, the tire on, pump it up and let it sit. For a few weeks. Then use that to practice ripping it off and putting it back on. I't super easY!
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
I'm a newcomer to the sport (1 year into it) and new to this thread. I love the sport and see myself involved in it for several years to come.
I am considering purchasing a set of race wheels (leaning toward an "all-purpose" race set that I can use on all distances - Did Sprints (Pawling, Harriman, CT) and Olympic distances (NYC/Nautica, Westchester) this season and my plan for 2008 is similar with one or two Half-IM's. I think there is an IM in my future, but I'll focus on one season at a time...
So my anxiety is that: 1) it seems that tubular are faster, assuming you have good roads and can pump them up to say 130-150psi w/o fear of bouncing over road imperfections (this is very much the norm on the courses that I've been on), 2) Fixing a flat in a race means stripping and replacing the tire w/o glue and technical courses with tight turns would make me worry about the tire coming off the rim.
I like the simplicity of having all clincher wheels - So my first Q is:
Would it be a big mistake to go for a clincher race wheelset??
and second question is:
Which would work best for the kind of courses that I'm doing (short/medium) in the northeast ?? Zipp 404, 606, 808??
Is a disc beneficial in these races? If I purchased a rear disc, would there be races where it would inadvisable to use?
Any more experienced triathlete's care to chime in??
"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T. S. Eliot
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Clinchers seem to outnumber tubbies at IMC and what I've seen at Kona.
Hey if cost is no object go for the 808s and tubulars - fast, sexy, definitely the coolest set on the blocks.
If sense & sensibility rules prefer the 404s with clincher tires - a flat will only cost you $5 for an inner tube vs $30 and up for a tubular.
PoC
"Pain doesn't last, chicks dig scars, glory is forever!"
- Shane Falco.

thanks - $$ are a constraint for me and, planning on one race set makes the 404 clincher the best value..
"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T. S. Eliot










Hello, I'm doing Ironman Wisconsin this weekend and I'm worried stiff that I will flat on my tubulars. I carry one extra along with two CO2 blasts. Should I carry two extras? I'm interested in how others manage their spare tire setup.