Lactic Acid Buildup?
I'm not sure how much of a vegetarian you are but a glass of chocolate mile and a PB&J sandwich will go a long way to easing your pain. The soreness is your body repairing the damage from the previous workout and the best way to help that is to provide it some fuel once you are done. I believe the best is a 4:1, carb: protein ratio and that is found in the chocolate milk and the PB&J.
There are supplements and drinks out there that will do the same thing but can get expensive. Their main advantage is being portable. It's easier to pack another water bottle with that instead of trying to keep the milk cool while at the gym.
what do you define as L acid build up? are the legs sore all the time? or do they get burning very fast as you get going?
As far as asupplements. they will help but the key is to make sure you are getting enough protein throughout each day as you train. The key is to be >120g/day if you workout reg. Many AG'ers do not get enough protein in their diets and thus the recovery is slow.
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I don't think your problem is Lactic Acid. Your poblem is not enough proper nutrition after your exercises, or for that matter, throughout the day. Try a recovery drink such as acceleraid (sp??), especially for hard effort days. You need more protein in your normal diet for muscle recovery. If you are a veggy and you don't take supplements then your not getting enough protein. You should also consider an anitoxygent. I use MonaVia (sp?), but it's fairly expensive. It's an all natural fruit Juice. Finally, use a sports drink for long rides or runs.
what do you define as L acid build up? are the legs sore all the time? or do they get burning very fast as you get going?As far as asupplements. they will help but the key is to make sure you are getting enough protein throughout each day as you train. The key is to be >120g/day if you workout reg. Many AG'ers do not get enough protein in their diets and thus the recovery is slow.
mainly when i wake up i'm incredibly sore...after the day wears down its much better, actually usually the soreness is totally gone---it might simply be from working out late in the evening? while i work out its usually fine--no problems- although on my bike i feel more soreness than usual but thats prob bc i've been focusing more on runs than bikes
ya gotta rest more, that's what it sounds like or you're always going too strong. Make sure you get a proper recovery drink after each w/o. Eg, 1-2 egg whites, 2oz whey protein powder w some high glycemic carbs, some glutamine and water. That is good for a recovery. You basically have a half hour window opportunity to get in the carbs and protein. The simpler the protein the better for body utilization. Have some carbs like a cookie or something after to spike the insuline. Insuline causes sugar uptake by the muscles.
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I don't think your problem is Lactic Acid. Your poblem is not enough proper nutrition after your exercises, or for that matter, throughout the day. Try a recovery drink such as acceleraid (sp??), especially for hard effort days. You need more protein in your normal diet for muscle recovery. If you are a veggy and you don't take supplements then your not getting enough protein. You should also consider an anitoxygent. I use MonaVia (sp?), but it's fairly expensive. It's an all natural fruit Juice. Finally, use a sports drink for long rides or runs.
is this the accelerade you're talking about? http://www.accelerade.com/products/NutritionInformation.aspx
i've also heard cytomax is a good one? any thoughts? i never thought i'd be taking supplements and energy drinks, but i'm totally ready for it bc i see the effects of not doing it. the no vitamin thing worked for a few years but i guess my body is paying for it now!
that stuff is good for while your working out but after the workout the post nutrition is KEY for fast recovery. You should, after taking the recovery drink I mentioned, have a good meal w all the proper protein, fats and carbs.
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ya gotta rest more, that's what it sounds like or you're always going too strong. Make sure you get a proper recovery drink after each w/o. Eg, 1-2 egg whites, 2oz whey protein powder w some high glycemic carbs, some glutamine and water. That is good for a recovery. You basically have a half hour window opportunity to get in the carbs and protein. The simpler the protein the better for body utilization. Have some carbs like a cookie or something after to spike the insuline. Insuline causes sugar uptake by the muscles.
i feel like a dummy to have to ask but i guess it comes as no surprise that i have no idea where to get these high gycemic carbs, glutamine, etc....any product/food recommendations? I want something quick and easy. also should i take these things after every workout?
btw i can totally do the whole cookie thing :)
yes after all workouts. Whey is just amino acid supplements you can by as a powder. The make it from soy. Eggs, are eggs (chicken like :-P) and glutamine is just a pure amino acid. One of the most used by muscles for recovery. You want to give yourself some easy absorbablt amino acids like the Branched chain amino acids (BCAAs). They help to maintain muscle tissue; they also are needed during times of physical stress and intense exercise. To get techinical they are leucine, isoleucine and valine. Key to recovery along with glutamine. Here read up on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine
read the "functions" of glutamine. It's all the net. Just google the stuff and read...learn. No worries about asking. That's what we're here for. Good luck. I say do not give in to the marketing crap. Use the pure stuff and get as much as you can from natural foods. Learn what gives what for the body.
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thanks for the suggestions...i'm on my way to quick recovery :)
....let me add as far as glycemic index, if you are not too keen about the recovery drink stuf (but I highly recommend it), is for you to use high glycemic index foods...otherwise, the rest of the time make the majority of the carbs veggies/fruit. You'll drop weight like a stone as you workout and get faster cause you'll carry less weight, especially for running. Remember the carb/protein ratio for recovery...roughly 4:1, and the timing...within 30 minutes after finishing the hard part of the workout is key, even after an interval in the field. That's why it is good to carry a protein bar or something after you have done intervals if you plan on staying out longer after them. Here is a link to Glycemic indicies:
http://www.glycemicindex.com/
Good luck with it. If you recover properly with food after the workout I gaurentee you will feel better the next morning.
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Lactic acid does not cause soreness the next day. Lactic acid is cleared from the muscle shortly after finishing exercise. Within minutes if you perform a proper low intensity cool down. In about one hour if you stay still. The soreness experienced is caused by a number of other things such as damage to the muscle fibres themselves.
Poor lactic acid gets such a bad and undeserved rap.
Lactic acid does not cause soreness the next day. Lactic acid is cleared from the muscle shortly after finishing exercise. Within minutes if you perform a proper low intensity cool down. In about one hour if you stay still. The soreness experienced is caused by a number of other things such as damage to the muscle fibres themselves.Poor lactic acid gets such a bad and undeserved rap.
I agree, although there is remnant amounts, it is not enough to cause the probs later. Those are muscle fiber tears you are feeling.
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yeh its about nutrition, but speaking of pb&j reminds me of the bonk breakers. pb&j flavored nutrition bars. mmm. i hungry now. look what you made me do.
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is this the accelerade you're talking about? http://www.accelerade.com/products/NutritionInformation.aspxi've also heard cytomax is a good one? any thoughts? i never thought i'd be taking supplements and energy drinks, but i'm totally ready for it bc i see the effects of not doing it. the no vitamin thing worked for a few years but i guess my body is paying for it now!
Actually, my brain needs more protein. Accelerade is the sports drink version. I meant to refer you to Endurox R$, which they also produce. I did you Accerade, but I switched to Gatorade since it is the main drink used during races.
im not a big fan of taking pain killers myself, but why are you anti vitamin? i've never heard that before.
you should try working out a little earlier and get you a nice soy burger after you workout, its not as good for you as beef, but the protein is there.
i've been in and out of endurance sports, but only recently have i started concentrating on my nutriotion and recovery, it makes all the difference.
You REALLY need to pick up a nutrition book. I'd highly recommend Monique Ryan's "Sports Nutrition for Endurance Athletes." As a vetegtarian, youve got a lot of things you need to work around. Ryan hits on vegetarian specific stuff a lot throughout the book, where ever it is appropriate.
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Lately I've been sore pretty frequently from not too heavy training. I usually work out later in the evening after work--usually am done by 9:30 or 10 and then i head to bed around 11 or 11:30. All my runs and bikes are nothing "extraordinary" where I should be super sore the next morning. I think I might be having too much lactic acid buildup? True? If that's the case whats the best remedy? I normally am an anti vitamin, anti painkiller, anti any "extras"--in fact I only take GUs and things like that for race days. However, maybe its needed to take some type of extra supplement? I'm a vegetarian so maybe i'm missing some things i need for training.