Watts....
I'm guess with the rest being that short, it's safe to assume your LT is about 300? I remember Kevin coming home last semester and being excited about being tested at 310. Maybe you need to switch to Olympic next year and win a National title. :D BTW....how much do you weigh?
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-Matt
Not fast enough.
I'm guess with the rest being that short, it's safe to assume your LT is about 300? I remember Kevin coming home last semester and being excited about being tested at 310. Maybe you need to switch to Olympic next year and win a National title. :D BTW....how much do you weigh?
I' 158lbs. I think 290-300 would be my estimated FTP. It's too hard for someone my age to push hard enough to run with the you young guns! I think I can go under 2 hours for an Olympic, but just barely.
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
I wish I had the slightest idea what you guys were talking about. Are there bike trainers that measure watts, power, distance, or anything that gives an idea as to how much work was done? What's LT and FTP? Lactic Threshold comes to mind for LT.
I plan on getting a trainer for my bike this winter, but it would be nice to know how much work I'm putting to the rear wheel in addition to knowing my HR. My guess is that I need an exercise bike to do that.
As I don't train with power, I am curious to get some feedback on my interval workout today. I rode 8 x 1.52 miles on a CompuTrainer course w/ 3min. recovery. Here's how it broke down:Time HR Power RPM
4:37 142 278 88
4:35 152 283 91
4:31 154 293 92
4:35 156 282 90
4:25 158 298 81
4:25 159 299 83
4:31 155 287 77
4:20 161 309 82I blew the 2nd to last one and realized half way though that because of the simulated hills, I need to hope up and push a big gear. So, how did I do?
I think Faris AS rode Hawaii last year averging 287 watts..... So, if you could knock down the HR avg to 130's and cut the rest time you could be riding with Faris.
Anyway, good workout! I don't see how you can be riding on the trainer this time of year. Ugggg! It is so much more uncomfortable to push that kind of power vs on the roads.
As I don't train with power, I am curious to get some feedback on my interval workout today. I rode 8 x 1.52 miles on a CompuTrainer course w/ 3min. recovery. Here's how it broke down:Time HR Power RPM
4:37 142 278 88
4:35 152 283 91
4:31 154 293 92
4:35 156 282 90
4:25 158 298 81
4:25 159 299 83
4:31 155 287 77
4:20 161 309 82I blew the 2nd to last one and realized half way though that because of the simulated hills, I need to hope up and push a big gear. So, how did I do?
I use an Ergomo power meter and am pretty familiar with training with power. Your power output looks pretty good especially considering your weight to power ratio.
Do you typically ride a lower cadence? If not then keep working up towards maintaining that 85-95 range if possible. And if you can maintain your power output with a slightly higher cadence and slightly lower heart rate you will be in a great position to dominate on the bike (not that you are going to do bad because you still have excellent numbers that I would take in a heartbeat!!!).
Finally I have found that my power output on the road is always better than on a trainer which often translates to a faster time, etc. Now that is just my experience but personally I think you will find that you are riding with more power on the open road than what you are seeing on the computrainer.
Have you ever considered getting a power meter? For an athlete of your level, a PM is a great investment and WILL make you a faster rider given your work ethic, etc.
Good luck!

Sandman- I can only ride in the afternoons during the week and it's 110 degrees here by 1:00pm, so the quality of the workout is greatly diminished!
MDD- I am usually an 85-90 rider, but this short course had some steep simulated hills and the fastest way to get up was to push a big gear and stand on it. I do want to get a power meter, just not righ now. :)
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
4-5' on with 3' off is not a good enough predictor of FTP. When you get to 12-15' on with 2' off for 3-4 repeats, post again.
A standard FTP test protocol is to do 2x20' at FTP (or whatever you can do) with 2' rest in between and then grab the NP for the entire 42', and that's "close enough."
Do you have the book 'Training and Racing with a Power Meter'? It discusses different FTP testing protocols.
If I were to hazard a WAG, I'd say your FTP is more around 270-275, but you'd need to prove me wrong with a better test protocol.
It was never meant to be a test, it was a training session. I'm the one futzing with the data for fun. Ultimately, as I don't train with power currently it doesn't make a difference and whatever my FTP is, I know what my pace is over an IM distance.
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
.....but guessing people's physiology with inaccurate testing procedures and no controls over the internet is fun!:D
Besides, my bad guess made Bryan feel better than yours :p
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-Matt
Not fast enough.
The only thing that makes me feel better is riding at 22mph for 112 miles. That makes me feel real good! :)
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
I've never ridden that far.....all I care about is LT......mine happens to be in the neighborhood of 600 W. :D
Now that I'm done lying.....I did counter-attack my friend yesterday at 37 mph on a flat....that made me feel good!
Edit: I held 37 for less than 112 miles, though.
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-Matt
Not fast enough.
I did another CompuTrainer ride today. I rode 24.86 miles in 1:06 @ 22.5mph, 88rpm average, and 241 watts. This was with an average HR of 141, which would be a low Zone 3 (my Aerobic Training zone is 138-148). Thoughts?
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
I think you have crazy aerobic capacity. I don't think I can imagine how many base miles it takes to get an aerobic 40k down to 66 min. I think you have a damn good race in Kona in coming up!
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-Matt
Not fast enough.
I did another CompuTrainer ride today. I rode 24.86 miles in 1:06 @ 22.5mph, 88rpm average, and 241 watts. This was with an average HR of 141, which would be a low Zone 3 (my Aerobic Training zone is 138-148). Thoughts?
I think this demonstrates just how much fun, and how motivating training with technological aids like computrainers and HRMs and powermeters can be, how accurately they correlate with road times etc. remains to be seen. There is a great deal of variety of response and performance in different people, however..
keep up the good work and enjoy your new toy.
I like your numbers.
I recall doing much the same thing in my kitchen during the winter- comparing numbers from successive sessions to observe progress, etc.
cheers,
PoC
"Pain doesn't last, chicks dig scars, glory is forever!"
- Shane Falco.

I did another CompuTrainer ride today. I rode 24.86 miles in 1:06 @ 22.5mph, 88rpm average, and 241 watts. This was with an average HR of 141, which would be a low Zone 3 (my Aerobic Training zone is 138-148). Thoughts?
241 watts at 141 is pretty darn good. My LT is 285, but at around 140 HR I am pushing 220 watts. Looking to get that higher with some solid base training in preparing for IMAZ.
OK, last time for this! I did a 40K time trial on the CompuTrainer. It wasn't a flat course, had some hills, but relatively flat. The CompuTrainer is relentless, you just never get a break. Anyway, here's what I did:
24.8 miles
23.1 mph
Watts- 264
RPM's- 87
HR Avergae- 161, which is just below 162 threshold for me
It was a solid effort, although I feel towards the end I didn't get my HR up as high as I wanted, I think I topped out around 167 where last time I did push up to 171.
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
I don't think I can imagine how many base miles it takes to get an aerobic 40k down to 66 min.
After reading some of Red5's weekly IM training reports, it all makes since to me :D
Goals in writing are dreams with deadlines – Brian Tracy
2008 Sprint Tri A race goals
S: 500m in 10:00 – FS Stroke only
B: 22mph avg over course
R: 5K <= 25:00
Place top 50% for my age group
OK, last time for this! I did a 40K time trial on the CompuTrainer. It wasn't a flat course, had some hills, but relatively flat. The CompuTrainer is relentless, you just never get a break. Anyway, here's what I did:
24.8 miles
23.1 mph
Watts- 264
RPM's- 87
HR Avergae- 161, which is just below 162 threshold for me
It was a solid effort, although I feel towards the end I didn't get my HR up as high as I wanted, I think I topped out around 167 where last time I did push up to 171.
I find these numbers to be really interesting actually and if you study them they do reveal the secret to quality IM training. I suspect that over the same trial I would have a higher FTP watts wise, maybe 280 - 290, but Brian's biking over an IM is stronger than mine. Clearly his aerobic system is much stronger than mine. In years past I have just gone long and hard, probably calling on the anaerobic system too much and as a result, not training the aerobic system as much. I know Brian put in a lot of base miles and areobic training and look at this bike splits for longer distances. While the 40k times are good, they are nowhere near as impressive as his longer distance bike splits. Shows you that short and long course are certainly two different types of animals.
That's an interesting point. Over on another forum wher I am also having this discussion, a coach figured my FTP was probably 270 based on this effort as it was done on the CompuTrainer. Outdoors we tend to be able to push a slightly higher number. Although FTP is interesting, what really matters, he said your power to weight ratio. I weigh 158, so my ration was aourn 3.7- 4.0, which would make me a high Cat 3 cyclist.
But ultimatley, for me, what matters is how quickly can I ride a bike 112 miles and still be able to run a fast marathon and unless I am going to train with watts, which I do not currently, it's all academic, although interesting!
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
Bryan,
You are an animal! It has to be hard going for an hour indoors at that effort level. That's crazy.
It's funny the different approaches we take to training. I do some FTP work during the week. Mainly, 10-20 min efforts similar to the wattage numbers you do with 1 to 2 min recoveries. A tempo ride then, on the weekend it's a long Sim ride 5:30 at around 200-220 watts followed by a long run the next day.
It looks like you are hitting the quality and I am hitting volume ..23 hrs this week.
There are a lot of guys I know that swear by the quality approach. I guess I'm just old school.
Bryan,
You are an animal! It has to be hard going for an hour indoors at that effort level. That's crazy.
It's funny the different approaches we take to training. I do some FTP work during the week. Mainly, 10-20 min efforts similar to the wattage numbers you do with 1 to 2 min recoveries. A tempo ride then, on the weekend it's a long Sim ride 5:30 at around 200-220 watts followed by a long run the next day.
It looks like you are hitting the quality and I am hitting volume ..23 hrs this week.
There are a lot of guys I know that swear by the quality approach. I guess I'm just old school.
Actually, no! This is the first time my coach has taken me this route. Prior to IMAZ, I was almost 100% long, aerobic training. I did that for 10 month straight. Maybe I did a handful of things like hill repeats, a track workout or two, a few bike intervals, but that was it. Now he feels my aerobic capacity is big enough and wants to work on some speed. It's fun and different and I am beginning to see my pace pick up, but I like the old school approach as well and almost miss my 20 hour weeks!
I did do a solid 100 mile ride yesterday @ 22mph all in a low aerobic zone and have a 20 mile run today, so it's back to the bread and butter! :D
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!






As I don't train with power, I am curious to get some feedback on my interval workout today. I rode 8 x 1.52 miles on a CompuTrainer course w/ 3min. recovery. Here's how it broke down:
Time HR Power RPM
4:37 142 278 88
4:35 152 283 91
4:31 154 293 92
4:35 156 282 90
4:25 158 298 81
4:25 159 299 83
4:31 155 287 77
4:20 161 309 82
I blew the 2nd to last one and realized half way though that because of the simulated hills, I need to hope up and push a big gear. So, how did I do?
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!