Open fingers or closed?
I've also heard both ways...
(1) that a little gap between them (not WIDE open) doesn't really let the water through and gives you a larger pulling surface
(2) that while the little gap can help some people (in particular women) seem to go faster with them tighter (although not so tight you are stressing and wasting energy holding them there).
Hopefully one of the swim experts (geo?) chimes in :) I'll be interested to know.
I've always done it with my fingers together and my hand cupped. Maybe Geo or Ironmom have more to add.
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-Matt
Not fast enough.
here is what i have been told (and believe/practice): while you are in the power part of your stroke your hands should be relaxed. this allows them to slightly change shape to accommodate any fluctuation's in the water that they are pulling through. this does not mean that you should have gapping spaces between your fingers. you should aim to keep them as close as possible, but keep them relaxed so that they are not clenched closed (if that makes any sense). personally, i rarely think about it when i am training, and my mind is focusing on other things while i am racing.
best of luck!
I've always done/been told relaxed but closed. You can totally relax elbow-down during the recovery. Make sure to keep your wrist straight. Its not really something I've thought about much...
I've always done it with my fingers closed. I am not a strong swimmer so my input might not be the best. Having my fingers closed has always helped me hold my form alot better. When my fingers get open, I tend to "slap" the water more than swim.
I've always done it with my fingers together and my hand cupped. Maybe Geo or Ironmom have more to add.
I asked that of Geo previously - cuz I also used a cupped hand - I believe what he told me was to NOT cup the hands but to allow a little spacing between the fingers - as that makes your hand a larger surface i.e. paddle and will help propel you faster.
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CGroth, RV and especially Geo are 100% correct. Natural hand pull through the water. If you cup the hand it stiffens the forearm and allows for more power generation. My 2 cents
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When I cup, it's a really shallow cupping. Sorry if that wasn't clear, but definitely don't make a horseshoe shape with your hand.....it's more of a glasses lens for me. I had an old coach who was on the 92 Barcelona team put it this way: Moving water behind you won't do anything....you need to pull yourself in front of the water like climbing a ladder. So the more "grip" you get on the water the better. Keeping your hand long will give more surface area to pull on so you can get the entire length of your hand and forearm in on the action. The cupping is just a barely thing for some extra "traction" in the water. My 21.8 seconds.....or cents.
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-Matt
Not fast enough.
The hand is not to be in a complete cup. Slight cupping sounds Ok.
You can see how I hold my hand when I'm swiming in the pool on my home page. It is at a relaxed pace the hands are slightly cupped the fingers slightly open. You can find this hand position by standing straight up and let the arms hang loosely. The hands go to the natural position. See me puddling along on swimdownhill.com home page.
Very helpful tips. I appreciate the feedback from everyone. I guess the main lesson here is to get in the pool and try out some different hand positions and see what works best.
It's a little different for everyone. Here's a couple general guidlines:
1. If your hand or forearms cramps - you're doing it wrong
2. If you're exerting energy to create this hand formation - you're doing it wrong.
3. You want to feel the water
4. fingertips are to the bottom of the pool/lake at all times
^I think that's the best post of the thread.
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-Matt
Not fast enough.
I was taught to keep the hand relaxed, slightly cupped, fingers slightly apart. This gives greater surface area due to the webbing effect of water flow between the knuckles. If you spread the fingers too far apart, you lose that effect and spill water through the fingers. Too tightly cupped and you lose the extra surface area and also are tensing your hand too much.
That being said, I have a really strange hand position. I bend the top knuckles of my fingers first at the beginning of the catch without bending the bottom knuckles. I always thought this was very strange, but read on a coaching website once that many competitive swimmers can do this with their knuckles. So maybe it is advantageous after all in some way.
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I do not want to point fingers to the bottom. I like it more like this only fingers open slightly. Open the attachment.
I interpreted it differently. I thought he was saying that the hand wasn't flat on top of the water at the beginning of the stroke so that the hand is already catching water even in the fully-extended part of the stroke.
I know this isn't the best picture, but you can see that the hand is cocked and ready to pull already, even the though the stroke hasn't even started yet.

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-Matt
Not fast enough.
Fingers open slightly...:D
in geos post, that picture is what i imagine a dropped elbow to be.. am i all screwed up? i always try to keep my elbow closer to the surface than that and now i think im doing something wrong
A dropped elbow is referring to the recovery part of the stroke. Geo's picture is what it should took like underwater. Having your hand deeper in the water will give you more leverage.
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-Matt
Not fast enough.
Here is exactly what I am talking about http://www.h2oustonswims.org/articles/dreaded_dropped_elbow.html
Here is exactly what I am talking about http://www.h2oustonswims.org/articles/dreaded_dropped_elbow.html
The illustrations were helpful to me.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
same here.. ive been bending my elbow way too much and keeping my hand too close to my body thinking i was right.. thank u







I'm a relatively new swimmer (one year) and have been working hard to refine my stroke technique (reading books, surfing the web, asking other experienced swimmes for tips) but there's one thing I'm still not quite clear on. On my pull should my fingers be tight together or open?