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started by jperubog on August 8, 2007

I was wondering what type of training would help me improve my times. I have no problem swimming long distances, and I seem to swim better(with better technique)towards the end of my swims, but it seems like my pace is generally the same through out. Would I benefit more from doing shorter intervals(say 100s and 50s) on short rest(like 10-15 sec) and doing them a little harder than normal? Would this help with improving my overall speed. Another concern is that I have been focusing on technique alot, and I am afraid that I my technique will degrade if I try to swim faster.

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geochuck posted 1 year ago.

I would suggest 1/3 of your workouts should have interval training as the main feature. 25s - 50s - 75s - and 100s. After a good warm up swim do them. Just because you are swimming fast you do not have to give up on technique. If you work out 3 X a week at least one work out should be include repeats or if you workout 6 X a week 2 workouts should have repeats included.

Just watch the clock and set your speed for your repeats. When training for the Olympics I did 50s in 28 but made sure my stroke was under control and I held technique.

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mdd posted 1 year ago.

I usually include some kind of descending intervals in my training sessions and the distance (50, 100, 200, etc) will vary based on what I am working that day. With the intervals it is important to keep the rest short enough that you have to push hard but keep the rest long enough that you recover enough to complete the set.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

I've also added some descending and negative split intervals to my workouts and have seen some good results with that.

For example, I'll do 5 x 100, with hundred having a faster 2nd 50 (neg split intervals) and do them on 2:05 (meaning I leave on that time -- I'm not the speediest of swimmers) so I have about 10s of rest between the repeats.

Or I'll do 5 x 100, with each hundred being faster than the last (descending interval) and usually I do them on 2:05 as well -- leaving me about 5 sec of rest on the first (slower) ones, and more rest on the faster ones.

The time on the intervals (2:05 on the example above) changes if I'm having a really on or really off day.

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sflynn posted 1 year ago.

I have seen larger improvements in my swimming time by adding sprints to my workouts every week. It is usually in the range of 6-10 x 100's sprints. Just since I've added the sprints, my 400 splits have dropped 15-20 seconds. I still spend a lot of time on technique so none is lost. Good luck.

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geochuck posted 1 year ago.

I like 5 X 25s with 10 or 15 sec rest between each 25, rest 30 seconds then repeat the sequence 8 X. Equally paced at a Max Vo2 heart rate. Forget descending times that is a word some coaches use to show how smart they are... thes kind of workout does not make a faster swimmer. It is OK to do descending times during other types of workouts.

I prefer not to do more then 25s, 50s, 75s and sometimes 100s. 400s ??? that is nearly a whole race, not to be confused with a Max V02 workout.

There is an old saying - "You have to train fast to swim fast."

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jperubog posted 1 year ago.

Thanks for all the replies, I am definitely going to incorporate these ideas into my workouts. thanks again.

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tri-p posted 49 weeks ago.

Try doing fartlek training in the pool 10x50 using every other 50 as active recovery so sprint 50 and easy 50, if 50's are to hard start off with 25's on these days start with at least a 800yd warm up my sprint days usually look something like this 800 wu 200 swim 200 pull 200 kick 200 swim. main set 1500 starting off with 100's then 50's and 25's warm down is usually 100 easy free 100 double arm backstroke .

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sourbubblegum1 posted 41 weeks ago.

i think proper technique is going to help more than trying to swim faster. i guess swimming is all about efficiency. learning other strokes will help too. i dont know how to explain but if u want to be a better overall swimmer it helps to swim every stroke. Also the butterfly stroke can help with conditioning.

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ston_ar posted 41 weeks ago.

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i think proper technique is going to help more than trying to swim faster. i guess swimming is all about efficiency.

Swimming is all about efficiency, in that respect its a lot like biking, you're trying to maximize your power output while minimizing your drag, but you do need to swim fast in order to be able to preform on race day. I do agree with you that it is worthwhile to at least learn how to do the other 3 strokes. Butterfly and breastroke are good for core strength, and backstroke is good to loosen tight shoulders up, and generally relieve pressure of the shoulder joint.

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I've also added some descending and negative split intervals to my workouts and have seen some good results with that.

I love these kind of sets, they make you have to swim faster when you're more fatigued, thus improving efficiency. One of my favorite sets ever was 5 X 800 decending and negative split, so basically i was trying to make every 400 yds faster than the one before it. Something more sane (for those of you not swimming an obscene amount like I am) would be to do 5 X 200 on a fairly challenging interval, just trying to make every 100 faster than the one before it. Ideally your 7th and 8th hundreds should be at your goal race pace, and the last 100 should be about as fast as you can go.

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Ironmom posted 40 weeks ago.

I think it depends a fair bit on your current technique and speed. As a general rule of thumb, I'd say that if you can reliably hold a 1:45 per 100 pace or faster, you'll benefit by adding speedwork and intervals. If you're slower than that, you probably need to focus on technique and/or get coaching to speed up.

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MarkyV posted 40 weeks ago.

If technique is not a limiter then....

1/2 of your training focus should be on raising MLSS in the pool. This is done through long, hard repetetive, short rest sets... 3x600 with 15-20 secs rest. These hurt. Think 2x20 FTP work on the bike.

1/4 should be focused on raising your VO2... this will help in allowing your MLSS swimming to get faster.

1/4 should be speed... think track work but in the pool. All the good stuff that track work does for you running, short fast stuff in the pool will do for your swimming.

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kylie posted 40 weeks ago.

What's MLSS? I think I need a translater for some of your posts ;)

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geochuck posted 40 weeks ago.

Maximal Lactate Steady State - it may mean this ???
I for one do not want this long hard stuff. I would only do this in about one sixth of my training. But others have other ideas.

Microsoft also uses it as a trainig term.

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MarkyV posted 40 weeks ago.

geochuck;85374 wrote:
Maximal Lactate Steady State - it may mean this ???

you got it!

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I for one do note want this long hard stuff. I would only do this in about one sixth of my training. But others have other ideas.

why not? The swim portion of any triathlon is more than likely going to be competed at a length of 10 minutes or more and at sub maximal threshold. Using those guidelines it would be best to get your steady state as fast as possible becuase it's highly unlikely that you will be tapping into VO2 in a TRI swim. That doesn't mean we neglect other areas (true 50% may have been a bit much but I was writing that with the time limited athlete in mind... i.e. at most 4 swims a week).

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Microsoft also uses it as a trainig term.

Really? What does it mean to them **begins email to 'soft buddies**

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MarkyV posted 40 weeks ago.

kylie;85356 wrote:
What's MLSS? I think I need a translater for some of your posts ;)

I know... I need to come up with a "list of terms FAQ" and post it somewhere. : )

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geochuck posted 40 weeks ago.

I prefer lots of short swims with short rest periods.

The faster we swim these short swims we soon swim faster.

I used to tell everyone you have to train fast to swim fast.

Yes I believe you have to get built up by doing MLSS swiming but I like it limited to no more than once a week.

I prefer a mixed bag and of course it all depends on the race schedule. If I were to race every Sat or Sun I would not do any MLSS training and very few fast swims. I would be on a recovery schedule of Aerobic swimming and a little bit of race pace swimming doing 50s 100s and 200s with very long rest periods.

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