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started by Theia on August 2, 2007

Hello.

I did my first tri a week and a half ago, and I'm training for my second on September 30 (both sprints). How many bricks per week do you typically do? I have 1-2 built into my training per week.

Thanks in advance!

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kylie posted 48 weeks ago.

I often end up with 1, sometimes 2 or 0.

Personally, while I feel bricks are valuable, I actually LOVE the feeling of running off the bike and am not as concerned with training that part right now.

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Theia posted 48 weeks ago.

OK, since you're a Hyper Active Trifueler :), maybe you can answer this question too. On a scale from 1-10 with 10 being as hard as you can push yourself, how hard would you go on the bike in a sprint tri? After I did my first, I wasn't sore at. all. Not even a little tight. I passed probably 15-20 people on the run, which tells me I had more to give on the bike, right? It being my first, I didn't push too too hard on the bike.

The other way I can tell I had lots of gas left in the tank was my run time -- a 24:43 5k, only 31 seconds slower than my stand-alone 5k PR is 24:12.

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RV posted 48 weeks ago.

It is always a good idea to run off the bike (15 - 30 min) - known more as a transition run rather than a brick - a brick is typically longer and higher intensity. Usually only one brick per week.

For a Sprint - absolutely flat out on the bike! :D

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bluebirdbiker posted 48 weeks ago.

Bricks are done so that one gets used to running off the bike, bottom line. Use the feq. as you feel is necessary for you to get adjusted to how you want to run. Remember though, the key is a fast turnover (e.g., 90-100rpm cadence) as you start running off the bike. Try it various ways and see what works for you the best. To prepare best for a brick, one should make sure that no matter how fast or strong that you are on the bike, you spin fast cadence (~100rpm or more) before you run and stretch the calfs and legs as you come into T2. This will distribute the blood better in the legs and let you feel better as you start running.

The other part of your question: In a sprint you basically wanna go all out and even above LT is ok. It's short and one can/should be able to sustain the high HRs for this short a distance. Again, it all depends on what you have done in training for prep. You will not go faster than what you have been training at. There is no magic that happens on race day. Pacing is key. Hope this helps.

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Theia posted 48 weeks ago.

Thanks for the great responses! They do help, a lot.

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kylie posted 48 weeks ago.

Theia;75024 wrote:
OK, since you're a Hyper Active Trifueler, maybe you can answer this question too. On a scale from 1-10 with 10 being as hard as you can push yourself, how hard would you go on the bike in a sprint tri? After I did my first, I wasn't sore at. all. Not even a little tight. I passed probably 15-20 people on the run, which tells me I had more to give on the bike, right? It being my first, I didn't push too too hard on the bike.

The other way I can tell I had lots of gas left in the tank was my run time -- a 24:43 5k, only 31 seconds slower than my stand-alone 5k PR is 24:12.

well maybe if I trained more I wouldn't be a HyperActive one ;)

But in a sprint tri go as hard as you can on the bike, while leaving just a little bit for the run. Don't go so hard that your legs are numb by the end, 'cause that makes running hard! Like you, I have a tendency to save too much on the bike. I'm working on that, and am proud to say that for the first time this year I have felt the "I couldn't have biked harder and still manage the run" feeling. It was awesome.

Passing people could also tell you they were stronger on the bike than you, while you are a stronger runner. That is often the case for me, as I started as a runner. I think standalone 5k and tri 5k PRs should be pretty close, but I don't remember the numbers I've seen given on the board here.

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stewarba posted 48 weeks ago.

BlueBirdBiker:

Are you saying that one should lower the gear and increase the cadence as you approach the finish of the bike in order to help prepare the legs for the transition? If so, how much time or for how long would you ride at this cadence?

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UFTriGator posted 48 weeks ago.

^^^^about a mile. Don't slow down, though.....just increase the cadence. It shouldn't feel good. If it feels like you're resting your legs coming into transition, you're probably just letting the lactic acid pool in there, which isn't too good for the run.

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RV posted 48 weeks ago.

UFTriGator;75038 wrote:
^^^^about a mile. Don't slow down, though.....just increase the cadence. It shouldn't feel good. If it feels like you're resting your legs coming into transition, you're probably just letting the lactic acid pool in there, which isn't too good for the run.

I think that is more for when you are normally riding at a lower cadence (80's) and need to get the legs up to the cadence for the run.
If riding 90-95 then the cadence is really the same as your run cadence already.

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kylie posted 48 weeks ago.

Also of note in BBB's post: starting your run with a high cadence. He talks about both ending bike and starting run cadence :)

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bluebirdbiker posted 48 weeks ago.

stewarba;75037 wrote:
BlueBirdBiker:

Are you saying that one should lower the gear and increase the cadence as you approach the finish of the bike in order to help prepare the legs for the transition? If so, how much time or for how long would you ride at this cadence?

Yes, speed the cadence up to remove any excess lactic acid from the legs, don't forget to stretch the calfs on the pedals, this helps too. Ride at whatever you need to feel better (rpms). Definitely, experiment in training. It's a feel thing I would say, at least for me. Some may need more or less time than others. It also depends on the gear and cadence you have been riding at during the bike leg. Some people like big gears and others lower (e.g., Ulrich vs Armstrong style) for lack of better definition. Again, experiment with what works for you individually.

Yes, Kylie that's it. Fast cadence "spin" before transition to flush the legs as needed (like TriGator says) and then a fast cadence (fast trot) run till you feel comfy to run like you normally do.

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Theia posted 48 weeks ago.

When you all first started out, did you feel like you had so much to learn and would never get the hang of it?? I'm feeling that way right now...

Not complaining because I'll take all the advice I can get! But some of it is a little overwhelming. :)

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kylie posted 48 weeks ago.

Theia;75047 wrote:
When you all first started out, did you feel like you had so much to learn and would never get the hang of it?? I'm feeling that way right now...

Not complaining because I'll take all the advice I can get! But some of it is a little overwhelming. :)

Not really... but mostly because I had no idea how what I was really getting into! Yes, I showed up at my first half IM with no nutrition plan and one (maybe 2) bottle for cytomax on my bike. Oh, and I rode in a cotton tank top as I didn't own a cycling jersey or tri top!

But you'll be fine. Honestly, relax, have fun, and be flexible about things the first few races as you get a feeling for what it is all about and you'll slowly learn all the little tips and tricks.

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RV posted 48 weeks ago.

Don't get overwhelmed - when it comes down to it all we are doing is swimming, biking and running - things we did as kids.
The great thing is that there is always more to learn - but best is to take advice from multiple sources and then apply how it best suits you. What is right for one is not necessarily right for everyone. The fun part is experimenting with things to see what will help you improve.

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bluebirdbiker posted 48 weeks ago.

yes, overwhelming is the word. I was like that too. No worries, you're normal. Best is to take one piece of advice at a time and remember it, practice it and move to the next. It's really a no brainer. Like RV says, it's just swim, bike and run! No biggie! We're here to help. Remember it's (TA) triathlon anonymous! We're ALL learning. Anyone that says they're not, is lying.

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kylie posted 48 weeks ago.

bluebirdbiker;75051 wrote:
We're ALL learning. Anyone that says they're not, is lying.

Or they are dumb and ignore everything (sometimes an ego can be part of that) ;)

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RV posted 48 weeks ago.

kyillee;75055 wrote:
Or they are dumb and ignore everything (sometimes an ego can be part of that) ;)

Luckily no one here like that! :rolleyes:

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kylie posted 48 weeks ago.

RV;75057 wrote:
Luckily no one here like that! :rolleyes:

heh... well there are some everywhere... you just have to be the person you want to be, and I believe your voice isn't much louder that you listen... or something like that.

Honestly, if you feel you have nothing to learn from me, I will just know that I know something important that you don't -- that you can learn from ANYONE :)

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beads1985 posted 48 weeks ago.

I like to think that I don't make mistakes....

I make great 'bad examples'... :D

I try and do a transition run or brick off of every bike ride.
In fact I like to combine most of my workouts.

I like to do a bike/swim, run/swim, or sometimes reverse the order of a brick to be run/bike.

I think in addition to a regular brick it shifts your muscle groups into working ways they are not used to.

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kylie posted 48 weeks ago.

it also saves lots of shower and changing time!

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beads1985 posted 48 weeks ago.

kyillee;75065 wrote:
it also saves lots of shower and changing time!

Bingo!

My showers after ending my workout with a swim are much quicker.

I do smell a little like chlorine though :D

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kylie posted 48 weeks ago.

ok I should have clarified... assuming you *do* shower ;)

Luckily Mike likes the smell of chlorine...

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beads1985 posted 48 weeks ago.

kyillee;75067 wrote:
ok I should have clarified... assuming you *do* shower ;)

Luckily Mike likes the smell of chlorine...

Once a week whether I need it or not..:eek:

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Red5 posted 48 weeks ago.

I do 2.....a month. I think they have their place in training, I also think they can be over-used and cause more problems then they are worth, especially when done too much. Bricks are a great tool for acclimating yourself to running off the bike, but often you are better off riding a little further as opposed to hoping off the bike and trying to get a run in. There are recovery issue's as well as they can be harder on the body and require a bit more recovery...that a lot of athletes fail to account for.

Just giving you the opposite side of this coin :).

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Theia posted 48 weeks ago.

Thank you thank you thank you everyone for the words of wisdom. I am eager to learn and continue to improve as I start this exciting new chapter in my athletic life. :)

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biketm posted 48 weeks ago.

I normally do 1 or 2 at the most a week. But I know 2 pro triathletes that run after each bike work out...and man, are they strong. I don't think my body at age 48 would hold up to that many bricks. But I will say, that a brick is my favorite workout. I love to see my neighbers faces when they see me leave on my bike, see me ride home, than see me take off running and return. They normally say something like "don't you ever stop):D

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