It is all over for Astana.
Wait and see what will happen to the Tour...
To me, that's it. A last collapse, cycling just couldnt bear another one.
oh man! shame, shame, shame.
Oh wow... wish it was surprising... wonder if it is beyond repair ... agree that it is a shame
I love all the stuff Millar has to say about all of this. And by love, I mean that he's a complete tool.
[URL=http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/?id=/features/2007/tour_mill... Speaks out on Vinokourov[/URL]
It's been pretty amazing to see what Vino's done the past few days, though, in spite of being out of contention. I think it was two days ago that Astana was so impressed with the way that Vino had been riding that they agreed to a 10 year contract extension for the team. Too bad he ruined it all.
I'm stunned. I'm in total disbelief! I read it on cyclingnews and then again on velonews and just about cried...
that is just tragic, I truely hope doping doesn't migrate its way to triathlon but I think its only a matter of time before it does.
professional cyclists' credibility?
add it to the list of oxymorons...
[QUOTE=azstinger11;74066]that is just tragic, I truely hope doping doesn't migrate its way to triathlon but I think its only a matter of time before it does.[/QUOTE]
It already has. Read up on Nina Kraft.
Why they have to destroy such a beautiful sport...
What a shame
I wonder how many Pro Triathletes are doping ... UGH. Man just like Tyler who I admired so much and thought of as a great guy I am only recently to think he did something wrong. Now, I was all pumped about Vino this year he was my pick. He had his ups and downs this year but now this..... If cycling is this bad I wonder about triathlon. Some have already been implicated.
My friend who LOVES LANCE A told me about the book Lance to Landis and he said something like " bro, if they want to be on the podium they have to do it". I contested but he said Bro, just read the book. I felt that people just write this trash to make money. He said just read the book and you are still free to make up you own mind.
So maybe I have. I may just say ... Allow doping. Just make it legal. Well see some great insane 40Mph time trials and some heroic mt climbing.
I hope PRO TRIATHLETES stay TRUE and PURE.
So rediculous. So sad to see such a pure sport, be desecrated. I totally called this when Vino won the TT. How could a guy with 60 stitches dominate 180+ other riders who are the best in the world? Seemed suspicious to me. So sad. I feel bad for Astana, and yea, UF is right - they just renewed their contract.
Hey, I said out loud to the GF as I watched his stage win in disbelief after losing 28 minutes the previous day,
"Doesn't anybody remember Floyd Landis doing this exact thing last year?"
I was beside myself,
but nobody, not Paul or Phil, not Bobke, nor even Al - who as a journalist (read, muckraking cynic) must have a little objectivity left, was talking about it.
"Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it "
_ "Santayana, 1905
Nobody said these guys were rocket scientists, but geez!
Why do they allow Millar to talk about it? He was positive on EPO and now thinks he was to say something about this?
This Astana thing equals Festina a lot. Over here in germany many people where believing that Klöden had good chances of winning. But seeing the ITT I knew that they were all positive. They were just too good, and things that are too good tend to be not true in cycling...
Did you hear Al's opening comments in this morning's live coverage? He basically said that he felt like an idiot that none of them had questioned Vino's performance at the time trial. And that Vino was an idiot for using the doping method that is one of the easiest to detect -- shows how desperate he was.
As for David Millar...not sure that it was anyone's right to "let him talk". He was in the middle of a press conference and was asked about it.
Ironically, I actually was in Barnes & Noble yesterday and flipped through the [I]From Lance to Landis [/I]book. Even at a quick read, it seems as though it provides lots of compelling evidence that Lance doped...in the form of interviews and statements by those who were there and claimed to have participated. But, this is the book written by David Walsh who wrote the earlier book ([I]LA Confidential[/I]) on Armstrong that Lance sued over. Lance contends that most of the folks interviewed have axes to grind against him, are disgruntled former employees, it's all hearsay, etc...
Doping controls have gotten stiffer over the years, and it seems that the French labs and L'Equipe are itching to release bad news on anyone. So, maybe I'm still naive, but since he was never ever caught and was tested so freakin' regularly, I find it hard to believe that Lance doped and was just successful in covering it for so many highly-scrutinized years.
Ok, way longer than I intended, but no one else here at work cares about cycling and I'm dying to talk about this, think about it and sort out my thoughts.
Sucks. Plain and simple. And Velonews is reporting that they have another positive, but the name hasn;t been released yet.
[QUOTE=JamieM;74152]Sucks. Plain and simple. And Velonews is reporting that they have another positive, but the name hasn;t been released yet.[/QUOTE]
agreed - it was Moreni on Cofidis (I don't really know who he is), and apparently the whole team decided to leave. Disco has stayed strong throughout all of this and I really hope they continue to do so. I know my boy, Lt. Hincapie, is just a natural bad ass.
Also, does anyone else think Rasmussen is a little fishy? I really hope he doesn't win, but after today he's got it pretty well locked up.
if rasmussen wins he owes this to his lawyer. this guy really made it possible for him to stay in the tour.
german radsport-news.com writes: something has changed in the peloton, you can now talk about doping.
but to me it looks like: those who have not been tested positive yet blame those who were. in the end, everybody is on something. or can you tell me, why they again hammered a new record split in the first week?
what I think can make a difference in fighting the doping is forcing the entire team to leave. maybe then the riders are taking a closer look on their teammates.
on the millar thing another word: what I wanted to point out was: he was already positive and now is acting like he's never done anything like doping. He should have been just quiet and leave.
[QUOTE=inlovewithcerve;74209].........what I think can make a difference in fighting the doping is forcing the entire team to leave. maybe then the riders are taking a closer look on their teammates..... [/QUOTE]
Maybe so, but I think a [B]lifetime ban if caught [/B]would be better. You would lose some. Many would think 3x before doing anything. And for that matter, those we WOULD lose, well, they are cheats anyways, so who cares. My 2 cents.
Oh and bhanrah, not to be cynical, but I agree with you....."fishy". But all the same if he is not.... then he deserves the win. He has worked very hard from previous years.
[QUOTE=bluebirdbiker;74213]Maybe so, but I think a [B]lifetime ban if caught [/B]would be better. You would lose some. Many would think 3x before doing anything. And for that matter, those we WOULD lose, well, they are cheats anyways, so who cares. My 2 cents.
Oh and bhanrah, not to be cynical, but I agree with you....."fishy". But all the same if he is not.... then he deserves the win. He has worked very hard from previous years.[/QUOTE]
It has to be severe like a lifetime ban to make true inroads to cleaning this mess up.
The sad part now is that if anyone does well in the back (if not front) of your mind you figure that it must be an 'enhanced' performance.
I will try to translate this quote from Faris Al Sultan
It was in the last months issue of Fit for Life in Switzerland.
"To assume that there are no doped triathletes is nonsense. Swimmers dope, cyclist dope and runners dope. Those that do all three do too. BUT, when Jan Ullrich has to pay a fine fo 30,000 Euro then it is clear that a triathlete can't afford to cheat."
A large percentage of riders probably still cheat. Some just have better doctors than others. Maybe they should just have 2 separate classifications in the TdF…one for clean riders and one for doping riders. The clean riders would have to undergo a drug test everyday to remain in that category. The leading doping rider would get to wear a BLACK Jersey for all to see. There would probably be a bunch of drug companies willing to become sponsors if they took this approach! :D
Cycling isn't ruined...just sick..like an illness. It will get better.
I'm not a big ball sports fan, but how many of you will stand up and cheer when Bonds sets the new record? We hate cheating in one area and sort of ignore it in another...
I like the Black Jersey idea... but not to "The Chicken" this year...he's worked hard and certainly been drug tested enough having been KOM. He deserves yellow.
I guess a lifetime ban will make them think about it, but Vino took his blood anyway. Although he knew he could be caught.
Somebody willing to dope is not too concerned about getting caught.
Anyways, the should install it, so we do nat have to see those liars again in two years time.
thank god rasmussen is out of it!
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