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Can we wear our hearts out?

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started by BigGus on July 2, 2007

My question for discussion is not so much about overtraining, but about the effect of excessive exercise on the heart.

I know that excessive exercise can result in suppressed immune function and a host of orthopaedic and overuse injuries, but here is my concern: I have heard that the left ventricle of the heart enlarges as a result of exercise, but this enlargement is supposedly healthy, or PHYSIOLOGICAL, as oppossed to an enlarged heart from disease, referred to as a PATHOLOGICALLY enlarged heart.

Is it healthy to do 3 hours of exercise 6 days a week? Is it okay to do a 6 mile run, and then hit the gym and blast away at the weights for 75 minutes? Does a heart only have a certain amount of beats it can do in a lifetime? Now I'm not talking about an acute exercise induced cardiac arrythmia, heat stroke, electrolyte imbalances, but long term, is there a point of diminishing returns with all this exercise?

Every couple of years I have numerous cardiac tests including chest x-ray, EKG, aortic ultrasound, nuclear scan with tracer, stress test, and blood/urine labs (I have really good health insurance.) Everything comes up negative. My doc says keep going. Can a 44 year old male who has been physically active his whole life, cholesterol under 200, just keep on going like this or should I slow down? I feel great, but I often wonder if this is not all too much stress on the heart.

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o2Ripper posted 1 year ago.

Interesting question. I have issues with high blood pressure (systolic), VERY genetic. And I have the same concern I suppose, but mine is based upon whether or not to take blood pressure meds if it would help with training or risk things....not sure.

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JamieM posted 1 year ago.

I may raise my heart rate to high levels exercising a couple hours a day, but my resting heart rate is in the mid-40's because of this exercise. I'm sure on average I use less beats per day than a unfit person. I'll keep doing this just for the odd looks and "Is it normally that low?" reactions I get form nurses and doctors who take my pulse and blood pressure.

And I have a heart defect and have to see a cardiologist every year or so. I met my first cardio through the bike club in Jersey my father rides with. I've talked to him about my level of activity and my concerns. He listened and then mentioned he had a set of Zipps for sale that would be great for someone still actively racing. I've been racing them for a couple of years now.

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tri-ac posted 1 year ago.

JamieM;72223 wrote:
And I have a heart defect and have to see a cardiologist every year or so. I met my first cardio through the bike club in Jersey my father rides with. I've talked to him about my level of activity and my concerns. He listened and then mentioned he had a set of Zipps for sale that would be great for someone still actively racing. I've been racing them for a couple of years now.

I love it! great story! my doc treats me like being able to walk is healthy enough...

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toni posted 1 year ago.

As a nurse, it really IS enough that you can walk, be physically active and take care of your daily needs. The people to worry about are those who are short of breath while trying to complete their daily regimen and who have absolutely no energy get these things done, like dressing, hygiene, feeding themselves, working, etc.

The more one exercises the stronger their heart gets. When your heart is fatigued you will feel fatigued as well. You're heart rate will be higher than usual upon waking. You're body will communicate to you that you need to rest. Just make sure you're taking in enough nutrients, water and rest and you should be fine.

If you are exercising your heart too much or really just exercising beyond exhaustion without recovery days, your body will tell you in big ways that would lead you to the ER.

Hopefully Dr. Rios can fill you in on more of the details.

Dr. Rios?

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BigGus posted 1 year ago.

tri-ac;72264 wrote:
I love it! great story! my doc treats me like being able to walk is healthy enough...

Mine too, during my stress test he jokes and asks, "Why are you even here?"

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driggins posted 1 year ago.

i have Afib (irregular hearbeat) and have been examined by several cardologists. i've had several stress, EKG, echocardiograms. the docs encourage me to keep up the training and racing. exercise only strengthens the heart. but it isn't uncommon for an athlete to have a slightly enlarged heart. but as you note, this in inself isn't an issue, esp for an athlete. i have never been told that exercise damages or wears out the heart muscle. keep it up is what i have been told!

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wilsondaj posted 1 year ago.

I just had this thought, I think one of the reasons exercise induced hypertrophy of the heard is different from pathological hypertrophy of the heart (caused by high blood pressue) is because exercise induced hypertrophy allows for a recovery phase when the heart is actually working at a lower capacity then our sedentary counterparts, compared with someone who has high blood pressue whose heart is working at a high capacity without any rest.

Although, I have heard that elite ultra distance athletes dont tend to live to be very old, however this is just heresay.

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jasonm posted 1 year ago.

From a paramedic, and human movement training background here's my quick take on the subject.

Yes heart's can wear out. The causes are varied.

Extreme exercise may exascerbate a pre-existing condition, but is unlikely to cause a problem.

Exercise, especially aerobic base increase the collateral coronary circulation in the heart which may provide better protection or reduced damage in the case of a "heart attack"

An enlarged left ventricle is common in the so-called "Athlete's heart" This is a good thing if the bigger size is caused by thicker and stronger myocardium (heart muscle). This is usually the case. However, and enlarged left ventricle can be a bad thing is some cases, this is when the chamber size of the ventricle enlarges, but the muscle doesn't thicken up and doesn't increase in strength, eventually it becomes floppy and has a reduced capactiy to pump blood. This is usually caused by things other than exercise.

If you get your heart tested, your ECG, may show you have abnormalities or murmurs. Some of these are very normal are a result of adaptions to exercise, but sometimes it is hard to tell by those who aren't well trained in cardiology.

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BigGus posted 1 year ago.

Thanks all for the comments. Interesting topic, but it is funny when I go to the cardiologist every few years for all these tests. They all look at me funny like why the heck am I here among all these 90 year olds. Anyway, it's good to have peace of mind.

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LongTime posted 1 year ago.

I read awhile back that Tour de France riders have a much shorter lifespan than average folks. I've often wondered about the reasons. Some of the ex riders got fat, which could shorten one's life, but is it possible that all those years at extreme heart rates decreased the life of the heart muscles?

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Ken B. posted 1 year ago.

Can we wear our hearts out?

Sadly, yes. But not from exercise.

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jalyon posted 1 year ago.

LongTime;72693 wrote:
I read awhile back that Tour de France riders have a much shorter lifespan than average folks. I've often wondered about the reasons. Some of the ex riders got fat, which could shorten one's life, but is it possible that all those years at extreme heart rates decreased the life of the heart muscles?

TdF riders are a little different. If there were a human performance continuum, then usually health runs concurrently with fitness. Pro cyclists take it to the extreme far right, where they sacrifice health for fitness. Most people assume these words are synonymous, and for 99% of people they are, this is one of the exceptions where the two definitions diverge.

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GuiYoM posted 1 year ago.

This website explain, far better than me;

http://www.innovations-report.com/html/reports/studies/report-77272.html

http://www.atomicalmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2035

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dansarc22 posted 1 year ago.

I grew up woth a heart condition and had open heart surgery twice before age 3. I did great for a long time but was told not to over exert. Later in life I had a pcemaker and a defibrilator. Was told to get some exercise but not to over do it. In november of 2000 I received a heart transplant and started thinking my old heart was wearing out from a defect and general exercise. I spoke with my transplant team and told them that I wanted to do a triathlon. I wish you could have seen the stunned looks on their faces. I am currently training for my first sprint tri...I think that the only thing that will wear out your heart is if you don't exercise and don't listen to you docs. My suggestion is to get a heart rate monitor and keep good records, drink enough fluids and keep you doc in the loop if you have any unusual symtoms. Hope this helps.:cool:

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

Can we wear out our hearts?
Yes...by dating the wrong people!

dancarc22...you rock...but not too hard..ok? ;)

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