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started by Blitz on June 29, 2007

I have been asking a number of serious athletes about what they are thinking when they have long hard trainings or races and the body wants to stop. I have gotten some interesting feedback.
I would like to know about yours.

Thanks, Blitz

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JRH posted 1 year ago.

it varies. sometimes its stuff from work or things at home or sometimes i play six degrees of kevin bacon. on the bike it is just general paranoia that I'm going to run over by the crazy driving public

proud and high or low and humble - many miles before I go

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RV posted 1 year ago.

Hey Blitz - :) haven't seen you around here for awhile.

When it is a mind vs body wrestle match on a hard session, I focus very inward and on a single thing when I need to push through.

For the run it will typically be my turn-over or cadence. I will count foot strikes.
For the bike I just focus on my pedal stroke.
Whatever it takes to shift the focus away from the discomfort and keep my attention on a single mechanical aspect of the motion.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

I do the same as RV. Try and focus on the immediate of what you are doing, don't just be in the now, be in the RIGHT NOW!

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kkocan posted 1 year ago.

For the swim I can pretty much zone out for the longer swims, but I always try to concentrate not on my stroke/breating or kicking but on how the water feels as I move through it.

Biking is the same as RV and Red...just focus on the task at hand. If I"m in the flats it's focus on speed and staying in a nice comfy aero position, if it's a hill I just try to spin up it without nuking my legs etc...that can make a 4-5 hour bike ride go by pretty quick.

Running it's trying to stay light on my feet, one foot in front of hte other, repeat.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

I'm a numbers and maps geek so I often calculate things in my head. Mileage, pace, where I'll be (time or distance or both) when I hit certain points). They help me keep or increase intensity, especially on the bike. Lately on the long ride I tend to have a goal overall time, and then want to be able to go easy the last hour and hit the time, so I figure out how hard I have to go to make it so that the last hour at a 15 mph pace would get me the goal. Of course I then get a new "ideal time" into my head and seem to still push it most of that last hour :)

On the run I focus on where I'm rolling through my feet and other form stuff (about once a mile) and just let my mind wander for the rest. I'll figure out how far ahead of me Mike is, or other distance/time stuff for me. Or, on heat training stuff lately, my thought process is more "hot hot uugggg hot ooh water hot hot a second of shade! and more sun stupid sun hooottt..."

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cayman posted 1 year ago.

As said, focus on the task and the here and now when the little voices of doubt or pain start going off in your head.

I focus on something as far off on the horizon as I can see, no thoughts, just that point. Then, combine the focus of the cadence or turnover as I keep my eyes on that ever changing point on the horizon.

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Jstyle posted 1 year ago.

I am a lot like Kyillee on this one. I will do the math over and over in my head.
This is the monologue my brain produces on runs:
Ok man you are 4 miles into it and the total time is 30:31 you still have two miles left to go and you want a sub 45 6 mile. That means you have to run a 14:29 which boils down to a 7:14 mile per mile. Aight so watch your garmin if you can grab a 3:36 at a half a mile that will give you enough leeway to be able to get your time even if you fall off in the end a bit.

That is my typical internal monologue that goes over and over again.

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Tikal Dog posted 1 year ago.

I just go with the "Right Now" like Red5.

Don´t want to think too much about a 4 hour ride when I´m only into the first 10 minutes.

During races I don´t have that problem. The only thing is when I feel I can´t keep up to the pace I´m maintaining and it´s starting to fall then I open up a GU and get back to it. Don´t know if it´s mental or not but it does help.

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trainDaBrain posted 1 year ago.

Depends. If it's an adventure race and we're 20 hours into it - "Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this?" Great inner dialogue there. And if I have the map - "where are? where are we going? are we on the right road?"

If it's a race where I've trained up for it, and I'm focused, then I pull out the numbers make estimation for when I am going to reach point B based on my speed from point A.

For tri's ff I'm in the middle of the run leg and I've been keeping a hard pace, then I pull out the 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 step mantra to keep me in rhythm. Keeps my mind of the 5 and 6 minute milers that are flying by me. :)

The swim is a mix of: "Stop climbing on top of me!!", "Where did my googles go? (jk)", "Breathe-2-3, Breath-2-3", "Did I just get punched in the back?"

Hope that helps

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bokchoy posted 1 year ago.

I typically focus on my breathing, like in yoga. Other than that I try to think about my form. I find that when my mind wanders to other things form suffers and breathing gets more difficult.

Focusing on the breath and my body makes me feel really focused, almost like I'm meditating.

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Blitz posted 1 year ago.

trainDaBrain;71967 wrote:
Depends. If it's an adventure race and we're 20 hours into it - "Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this?" Great inner dialogue there. And if I have the map - "where are? where are we going? are we on the right road?"

If it's a race where I've trained up for it, and I'm focused, then I pull out the numbers make estimation for when I am going to reach point B based on my speed from point A.

For tri's ff I'm in the middle of the run leg and I've been keeping a hard pace, then I pull out the 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 step mantra to keep me in rhythm. Keeps my mind of the 5 and 6 minute milers that are flying by me. :)

The swim is a mix of: "Stop climbing on top of me!!", "Where did my googles go? (jk)", "Breathe-2-3, Breath-2-3", "Did I just get punched in the back?"

Hope that helps

That's interesting because one of the athletes said a turning break through point for him was when the same thought came to him, "Why am I doing this." He suddenly realized or "FELT", I do it because it is fun, and then everything changed for him, and writes books now and holds titles.

I asked the double Ironman World Champion on Sunday what he thought, and he also does math, but also focus on how his body feels, and thinks only positive thoughts.

Another big name told me that he has a few special moments and memories of places that were powerful and positive. He relives those moments or goes to that place when it begins to hurt.

THanks everyone for your feed back. I think I am coming to the point where I am getting into the endurance aspect and having to break through these barrier, which are the moments that make you go further and harder. I realize at this point how often my thoughts fly around getting me no where.

THANKS!!!!

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PrinceofClydes posted 1 year ago.

I count.
Like TdB, I start counting pedal strokes, 1-2-3-4, 1-2-3-4, etc.
It's usually on a climb that I need to do this most.

At other times I focus on the speedometer - keeping the numbers in the double figures, ie. above 10kph - that helps to get me up the Richter Pass.

On a long flat run, down to Osoyoos or into Cawston say, I focus on the "average speed" mode, and I set myself a goal of keeping it above 36 kph say.

If I get out of the saddle for a short climb I count groups of pedal strokes.. I know all the short climbs on the IMC course now, so I can aim for 4x50 pedal strokes out-of-the-saddle to get to the top of say roller number 5 - which is a b1tch!

When running I visualize myself as a pond skater, one of those bugs that floats on the water surface, or one of those lizards that can run quickly across the lily pads without sinking in - to fool myself into "floating" effortlessly down the road.

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Blitz posted 1 year ago.

What else POC, every shared thought could be a break through for me. Don't be shy, as I know you are not.

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bluebirdbiker posted 1 year ago.

Hey Blitzy! How ya been! Welcome back girl! Your Q: I just focus on the now and and admire the area around me staying in the zone I should be in. Sorry, I have a simple mind. Not much up there. :D

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Blitz posted 1 year ago.

BBB, No brain no pain. right?

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bluebirdbiker posted 1 year ago.

Blitz;72004 wrote:
BBB, No brain no pain. right?

.....bingo!

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craigery posted 1 year ago.

On long bike rides, I just think about life and what is going on. Its also a good time for me to do some deep thinking. Then there are the thoughts like, "Wow, that is a really nice house." Or, "I really like the landscaping in that yard." Or, "Wow, that guy keeps his grass SO nice."

On runs, I have to stay positive or everything goes down hill and I start to feel every little pain. Also, I think about the next race that I am doing and how I'm going to do better than the last one. I think about my wife standing at the finish waiting for me and how proud she will be of me. I also picture my dad waiting for me and how proud he will be. I picture myself passing people at the end of 5k's during my sprint finish. During 5ks, I do math to help me keep the motivation of beating my previous time.

During the swim, I usually am just counting laps. Not much in the way of thought other than just keeping things positive with some positive self-talk. When I do my long swims, I just keep it positive and keep telling myself that its no problem and that I feel good. I'll concentrate on my breathing for a few laps, then on the stokes and then on what the rest of my body is doing.

I guess during all my training, at times, I think of my family standing at the finish waiting for me and how proud they will be and how I need to push harder to do better. Those are my main thoughts during races. Its pretty cool too because, so far, my family has been to most of my races(5ks and tri's). If they're close to home, some friends come watch too.

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hollywood1 posted 1 year ago.

Once it gets hard and the body says stop i just like to envision my self as something else like a dolphin gliding through the water, or a fighter jet on the bike or pictureing my self time trialing with lance and other childish things, think fast - be fast.
Also thinking of the goal race or the result you want usually scapes the last bit of gas out of the tank too.

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PrinceofClydes posted 1 year ago.

Blitz;72001 wrote:
What else POC, every shared thought could be a break through for me. Don't be shy, as I know you are not.

Here's one I just remembered:

on a fast curvy descent with tricky crosswinds like, say, coming down out of Yellow Lake, I think happy positive thoughts like:

"I am strong, solid, immovable. I cut through the air like a knife."
and,
"My tires are bullet-proof. My grip on the handlebars is like the bite of the pitbull. I charge down the mountain like the powder avalanche. I can fly!"

Okay, so sometimes I get carried away, but it's better than worrying about a blow-out and looking at the roadside for a soft landing spot.

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mdittfurth posted 1 year ago.

I have been doing endurance sports for 20 years and have used all you guys have mentioned to get me through. They all work at the right time, properly applied. One thing I did not see that I have done with success is to think positive thoughts; funny moments; anything of a light positive nature and SMILE. I have even chuckled a little to myself. Smiling seems to be a tension reliever. Maybe this is what Natasha is doing with her trademark smile during events?

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BigGus posted 1 year ago.

When the going gets tough and the pain starts I say out loud, "This is easy" and force myself to smile. It actually works. That and the Gladiator soundtrack blasting through my head.

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Blitz posted 1 year ago.

Thank you for the tip. Here is something to make you smile the next time you are on the course.

I prepared everything for my race today very carefully. BUT I forgot to bring my goggles and nose clip with me down to the water. I just cannot swim without either. End of story. There was no time to get them, and I so wanted to participate. sooo, I tried doing the breast stroke head up, but I was too slow, so then I flipped on my back and did the back stroke. Must have looked funny to anyone who saw me. ;-) It got me where I wanted to go without dunking my head.

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Sandman posted 1 year ago.

Blitz;71930 wrote:
I have been asking a number of serious athletes about what they are thinking when they have long hard trainings or races and the body wants to stop. I have gotten some interesting feedback.
I would like to know about yours.

Thanks, Blitz

I do what most of the other posters do. I think about pace and numbers. I do the math. On long swims in the pool. I check under my arm and look at the pace clock making sure that I am keeping the same pace or in some cases picking up the splits.

In cycling, I like to look at my wattage meter and heart rate and keep consistent numbers going there. If it is an interval, I like to finish the interval at higher watts than I started and make the last interval my best.

On runs, I take splits on each mile and like to finish the long runs at a faster pace than I started. The same goes for intervals. I might think about running form too.

Like others, I think you need to focus on the "right now". I think it helps you race better, because you tend to focus more when the times get tough and you feel like quitting.