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started by tbt_22 on May 31, 2007

I have a trek 2100 with Bontrager Race wheels on it, but these wheels seem a bit sluggish. I have read info on aero vs box wheels and everything comes back in favor of aero wheels. I want to upgrade my wheels, but don't have $$$ to drop on a new set of Zipps. Any ideas of good semi-affordable aero wheels that will be a step up from my not-so-fast Bontrager Race wheelset?

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UFTriGator posted 1 year ago.

You can get wheels a lot cheaper than Zipps, but you'll still need to spend some fairly serious money. First off, I'd make sure that you really need them. Aero wheels won't benefit you significantly unless you're averaging over 20 mph during a race.

If you're already averaging that high, or think that you will be soon enough to make spending the money worthwhile, check out used wheels on ebay. You can get some pretty good deals, and the kind of people who have aero wheels generally take very good care of them, so they're in great shape. If you want to buy new, Flashpoint is made by Zipp, but a lot cheaper. I've never ridden them, but I've never heard anything bad about them.

If you're not quite up to 20 mph yet, the biggest difference you can make is to get some stiffer wheels. Something like a Ksyrium SL or ES (anything less, and you're getting pretty much that same as your Bontrager Race) will transfer power better and will be noticeably faster. You can get a good deal on those guys used also, since retail is $850 and $1150 for those two I think.

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Triguy98 posted 1 year ago.

Aero is aero. You're gonna benefit as long as you are not so slow as that the extra weight is just going to slow you down. Cheapest aero option? Hed Jet 60 front and disc cover for the rear. Just about as fast as anything out there. But that's still +/- $750, so its not cheap-cheap.

My buddy just did a race on his Giant OCR3 with Ksyrium SLs and an aero helmet. Was right behind the 3rd place rider the entire way. Of course, he's a super stud, but that just goes to show that throwing money at a problem isnt always the solution. Ride more, get faster.

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vanjames posted 1 year ago.

Consider an aero helmet. You'll get more aerodynamics at a fraction of the cost of race wheels.

Here's teh Bicycling mag article wiht the interbiew of the MIT cycling team and some of their findings.

http://www.bicycling.com/article/0,6610,s1-3-12-14995-1,00.html

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Nobody posted 1 year ago.

Interesting article. However, I'm always skeptical of test results provided by the same people competing in the sport.

As for Aero wheels....start perusing eBay and Craigslist and score yourself an Aero helmet while you wait for the perfect wheelset to come up.

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driggins posted 1 year ago.

i agree with vanjames and triguy. aero is aero. and an aero helmet will help more than wheels if aero is truly your goal. or an aero seat post. i saw a wind tunnel study somewhere (sorry don't have the link handy) that indicates the benefits of a aero seat post and helmet -- they outway that of wheels. so, if were to look at the best return on investment i would buy a seat post (@$200) and helmet ($150) before wheels ($500 ++). but, again, aero is aero so any improvement you can get, no matter your ability, go for it!

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Riverbrady posted 1 year ago.

Nobody;69437 wrote:
Interesting article. However, I'm always skeptical of test results provided by the same people competing in the sport.
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At the same time, they're not endorsing one company's product over another, or even telling you to go with the more expensive option. They're actually saying that the option that's 1/10th - 1/20th the price give you more real world gain, providing you can keep your head in the needed position (an aero helmet with the tail pointed up simply increases the drag behind the helmet).

Personally I'd rather have someone doing test results who is in the sport and understands it, than someone who may not know all the little nuances.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

Aero wheels are faster regardless of average speed. Aero helmets do provide a less expensive first option for getting more aero, but aero wheels, especially discs, provide a significant improvement.

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TBRAVO posted 1 year ago.

Save your money for now and work on the engine.
Then when you move up to aero-wheels you will really appreciate them more.
Just curious…why do you think your wheels are “sluggish”? Compared to.....?
IMO Aero wheels won’t make that big of a difference in a sprint or even oly distance race
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UFTriGator posted 1 year ago.

TBRAVO;69473 wrote:
Aero wheels won’t make that big of a difference in a sprint or even oly distance race

You can save about a minute with a disc and aero front over 40k. That's usually more than the difference between winning and not winning in an Olympic race. That doesn't mean that aero wheels will automatically make you drastically better, but when you do a bunch of things that all save about a minute (better wheels, better transitions, etc), they add up quickly, so why not take advantage of them all....wheels included?

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

Yes, aero wheels definately make a difference in my Olympic races, no doubt about it. In my last 2 Olympics I ran my Zipp disc and had the 1st and 2nd fastest bike splits and I know that when I have those wheels on in training, my average speed goes up by about .5 mph over a 40K distance. That's not guess work, that's real world. A min. is a few places at the front.

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TBRAVO posted 1 year ago.

Red5;69516 wrote:
Yes, aero wheels definately make a difference in my Olympic races, no doubt about it. In my last 2 Olympics I ran my Zipp disc and had the 1st and 2nd fastest bike splits and I know that when I have those wheels on in training, my average speed goes up by about .5 mph over a 40K distance. That's not guess work, that's real world. A min. is a few places at the front.
Finally a thread to get into a good discussion over! You mean to tell me that for a BEGINNER Aero-wheels are worth the investment? For somebody like Red5 that rides 22MPH for 112 miles...it's absolutely worth-it. For a newbie doing a Oly that rates their bike skills as a 3??? That's a waste of money in my book!

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tbt_22 posted 1 year ago.

TBRAVO;69473 wrote:
Save your money for now and work on the engine.
Then when you move up to aero-wheels you will really appreciate them more.
Just curious…why do you think your wheels are “sluggish”? Compared to.....?
IMO Aero wheels won’t make that big of a difference in a sprint or even oly distance race
- T

Compared to friend of my riding a Trek Equinox 7 who upgraded to Hed 3s. The acceleration seemed too close to really see a difference, but once up to a 21mph +/- pace they felt alot more fluid. Just was wanting to see if the upgrade was worth the money. I have only ridden his bike twice so without training regularly on it, I really can't make that call.

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hollywood1 posted 1 year ago.

you best bet is most likely to be some deep dish carbon wheels. I have the Bontrager Aeolus wheel set and they fly. They are cheap too. I would steer away from the disk at this stage as you need to be quite strong to stay up on top of the gear required to keep the "fly wheel" effect happening. As a newb they are hard to drag up hills and can ruin your run legs.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

TBRAVO;69519 wrote:
Finally a thread to get into a good discussion over! You mean to tell me that for a BEGINNER Aero-wheels are worth the investment? For somebody like Red5 that rides 22MPH for 112 miles...it's absolutely worth-it. For a newbie doing a Oly that rates their bike skills as a 3??? That's a waste of money in my book!

Oh, no, I agree with you TBRAVO, it's the Idian not the arrow :D . All I'm positing is that aero wheels will in the abstract always be a faster alternative regardless of speed of the rider. It may be a small difference, and the OP probably has a lot of other things he needs before $2000 wheel sets, I was just saying that even an 18mph rider can see benefits from aero wheels :).

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