Struggeling with Body Image
Jason,
I can speak from a slightly different point of view in regards to leaning out and looking fit for triathlons. Back in 2004 I weighed over 310 pounds and was lazy, now I am 185 and (at least I feel) in good shape. I think that you may be a little shell shocked by the transition between the two sports. As a trainer, I work with body builders so I know how extreme the transition can be. However, if you can balance out the three disciplines with a couple of days of total body training in the gym, I think you will enjoy how the body turns out. And as far as the testosterone goes, your body doesn't react like that. Endurance sports also release testosterone, so dont worry you wont get man boobs. I am glad to keep talking to you about this if you like, but I know that if you stick through the transition then you will enjoy what comes out on the other end.
"Far better is it to dare mighty things...than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
I think you will be surprised by how good your body can look when training and racing an ironman. Here is last years winner. I honestly love the look my body has during race season, I prefer it over a bodybuilders body any day just because an endurance athlete looks more natural. However, like you said I have a bias opinion.
"If your not going to win, make the fellow in front of you break a record."
There definaely a lot of "twig like" individuals in the sport. However, there are also a lot of larger structured dudes out there, too. Theyre looking or the lean-ness they gain from all the cardio. In fact at my last race, I passed a dude on the run who had a VERY pronounced V shaped upper body- you could tell he was seriously into weights. And as Kevin posted, some of those Ironmen tend to be pretty ripped. IMers as a whole tend to be more ripped than the short distance specialists.
I'll say a couple things- if you weigh 232 lbs @ 13- 16 body fat, forget about racing at 185- at least for this season. Thats a massive drop in weight, lot of which would be muscle tissue. Not exactly healthly. Do not aspire to be the twig. Embrace your size and use your power to your advantage.
Rather- take your time, and ramp up your training over the next few years to work up to the longer distances which gives your body time to find its prefered weight for distance training.
Life is short. Play hard and get dirty doing it.
It's a lot harder than you think to become "skinny" - far from inevitable. Most of the skinny triathletes you see not only have a genetic predisposition toward "skinniness," but they've spent years training aerobically to look that way.
I'm 6' and was a 205 lb bodybuilder type (was very lean to begin with) before I got into this sport 18 months ago. I had some of your same fears about becoming too skinny. Those fears proved to be unfounded - I dropped to 190 pretty easily but beyond that it became nearly impossible to lose more muscle without a concerted semi-starvation regimen. I hover around 180-185 now, and I'm STILL not skinny by any means, and wish I COULD get thinner so I could be faster. Here's a recent race pic.
With your extensive strength training experience, I think you'll find that you'll still have more muscle (and strength) than you know what to do with, even after months and years of sustained aerobic training.
I have a very different perspective now than I did 18 months ago. I look back at how I used to look and how big I was, and I think I looked kinda funny. What does anyone need all that muscle for? Unless you play football or move pianos for a living, it's just not real practical.
Good luck in your training!
don't think of it as skinny or twig, but rather lean and cut, my personal choice of phrase is streamlined.
There's a great ad on TV that shows an image of a bodybuilder flexing which fades into the image of Lance Armstrong flexing his arms on his bike - the tag line says "redefine power". I think it's a car commercial though.
I think the "look" side of triathlon is great. It's not quite as twiggy as the marathon-build thanks to the miles of swimming that triathletes put in building up their upper bodies.
A balanced physique is key I believe. Too lean and you actually lose performance through loss of power but also through weakened immune system and higher risk of injury.
I am 5'9 and started at 175lbs before starting triathlons. I went down to about 135 lbs and that was too much. I was good and light but for an age grouper, that was not beneficial for my performance. I was eating healthy but not enough. Today I'm back up to 145-148 lbs and that's a more comfortable weight which I'll try to maintain. I can still grab a little bit of flab on the sides of my belly but I'm still lean.
I had been into weightlifting before I got into tri training - nothing too intense, but I was bulking up pretty good and I liked the way I looked at about 205 (even though I was still working on the gut a bit), and I was worried about switching to something so cardio intensive because I knew that meant I was going to drop to a lighter weight than I really wanted. Now I'm between 182 and 185 and like someone else said, I feel like I want to drop just another few pounds.
As far as being cut, I think I look better at this weight and I like the amount of muscle definition I have. It could be more defined if I chose to lift weights, too, but I've mostly moved on from that because I just wasn't as interested in it anymore. If I decide I want more definition someday, I'm sure I'll start reintroducing weightlifting to my routines.
My point is that it is hard to say exactly what you are going to be happy with with any degree of certainty. And if you get into tris but find you can't handle the body image of that weight/look, all you have to do is go back to weights.
I saw the Bachelor (Andy Baldwin) at Wildflower and that guy does not have your typical Ironman build - not at all. He's got some ferocious guns!
Living proof that you can maintain some bulk and still compete in triathlon.
- A 21st Century Mom who is tri-ing to get better instead of just getting older
www.breakingthetape.com/21stcenturymom
My story is pretty close to Fiftycent. I was totally into bodybuilding (240-250ish)…got bored…worked my way down to 210…started doing Tris (Oly’s and Sprints)...and now weigh-in around 190. You can definitely stay “buffed” just on a smaller scale. It’s tough to serve 2 masters though, if you like the sheer muscle mass aspect of bodybuilding then it’s tough to let all that mass go to get down to a decent tri weight.
I can't throw around the amount of weights that I used too…I get cr@p all the time from my old work-out buddies…until I ask them to go on a bike ride or 6 mile run.
My advice would be to take is slow…reduce your weight gradually…do a Sprint or Oly race and see if you like it. Then you can decide if you really want to go all the way down into the 180’s. I know a lot of Clydesdales that can kick my butt; you don’t necessarily have to be a twig to be a good triathlete.
Thanks for the response guys!
Great to hear that many of you out there are going through what I am going to go through and your response is comforting. I cant see myself ever being a twig since I have never been one before but we will see. For now to avoid over training and because its summer I will leave weights out of the training and maybe pick it up again in the winter who knows. As for my estimated weight I am not going to attempt to get that low but I am worried about running with all my weight so I am trying to get down to 200ish so I can actually train right. I have comitted to running an iron man and will do anything and everything it takes for me to get there so I guess we will just see what happens on the other end.
I will keep you posted with the progress. I just bought a new bike (cervelo soloist) so im mostly biking.
Thanks again for the responses.
-Jason
way to go straight for a high end bike! Is this your first real road/racing bike? Talk about taking your first drive in a Porsche =)
"If your not going to win, make the fellow in front of you break a record."
I bought a mountain bike 2 years ago. I didnt buy a very expensive one just an entry level bike with front suspension and disk brakes because i wasnt sure how much i would use it. Then I fell in love with biking and that bike wasnt good enough for me any more. I wasnt going to make that mistake twice. I love the soloist, forget porsche it feels like a lambo :p
I have been lifting since I was a little guy and still continue to lift as I train my Sprints. I am doing my first olympic tri at the end of this season. So I understand your concern. But you won't go from sprints to ironmans in 1 season anyways. So start off by doing some sprints and lean out a little I bet you will like the way you look better. If you think you look too lean then stop.
A stronger heart is better than a stronger bicep. IMO
-Mat
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Jason,
Look at your body, and imagine being 80-100 pounds overweight, and so out of shape, that walking 3 miles leaves you exhausted.....
My wife has lost 115 pounds, and I've lost 80. Here are some pics:
Before
After
My wife and I still see ourselves as 'fat', and it's hard to see where we came from.
Of course, having the triathlon body can be a plus... When the Bear is chasing you, it's easier to run away!!! ;)
Darrell "Legs 'n Lungs" Lenkner
in West Chester, Oh.
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Jason,
Look at your body, and imagine being 80-100 pounds overweight, and so out of shape, that walking 3 miles leaves you exhausted.....My wife has lost 115 pounds, and I've lost 80. Here are some pics:
Before
AfterMy wife and I still see ourselves as 'fat', and it's hard to see where we came from.
Of course, having the triathlon body can be a plus... When the Bear is chasing you, it's easier to run away!!! ;)
Wow!!!!
Hats off to you guys...
You both look awesome....
What an achievement....You guys are in so good shape...
-Santiago
"Man!! Defeat is worse than dying, cause´you have to live with it" -My Dad
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Mat I think you got something on your face! ;)
Here it is without the mark on my face.
-Mat
Thanks for the comments guys. I have committed to training for a triathlon now regardless of the body image involved in it. I will readress this after I complete an iron man to see exactly where I sit.
A little less then a month after my initial post I am down to 209 lbs from being up in the 230s and already I am getting comments about how much better I look. Which puzzles me because I was never out of shape as a body builder. None the less I guess a smaller frame is just more appealing to the average person. No one ever understood bodybuilding and I wonder if anyone will understand the extreme element of triathlons either.
--I want to race in at least one race this summer just cant decide if I should do a sprint or keep it easy with a tryit triathlon. I dont think im ready for a olympic distance... although im not sure what feeling ready would be like.
much better! It's the internet and all, but I still like some idea of who I'm talking with all day :) And nothing to be ashamed of with that pic.
Although I must say I want to know what you are looking at... especially with all the shoes/clothes/etc strewn around you!
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well, I do weightlifting and powerlifting myself. Trust me, you will be surprised how much it will help you. You just don't do it as much as you did before. But you will definitely have advantages from weightlifting over that other triathletes might not have. E. g. my recovery times are phenominally low. I get out of the pool after a hard race swim for IM and my heartbeat already is so far down that I am completely recovered (I haven't even entered T1 yet). Furthermore, as soon as you stop lifting so much you will see the bulk will go down by itself as you will train aerobically more than anaerobically. Keep up the weightlifting you will need it and you will see all your fast twitch muscles will help you being much faster in things than you might expect (you will probably be a strong swimmer!). And by the way: some eyecandy during the race is never bad :p
I personally think that the triathlete figure is a bit bigger than you would think.
I used to lift weights and decided I enjoyed riding my bike more and so I got into triathlons more and basically thought that if I spent my time running, cycling, or swimming I would be better off than spending time lifting weights. I think when I stopped lifting I got a little slower. You need to have some muscle on you for the swimming to pull yourself through the water faster and you need muscle on your legs to push the pedals harder.
Most people see the marathon runners and those guys are all extremely skinny and they just assume that a triathlete should look they same way, if not skinnier because they are doing so much cardio, but the triathletes need the muscle for the swimming and the cycling.
Just look at the great swimmers, they don't look like twigs. Look at the great cyclists, they all have huge and defined legs. Put the two together and you get a triathlete. The top triathletes are basically just like a top swimmer, top cyclist, and top runner all rolled into one extremely awesome package.
much better! It's the internet and all, but I still like some idea of who I'm talking with all day :) And nothing to be ashamed of with that pic.Although I must say I want to know what you are looking at... especially with all the shoes/clothes/etc strewn around you!
Not sure what I was looking at? I usually get a little dizzy after the swim so I was probably just out of it.
The clothes, shoes and such are from other people competiting. Since the transition was about 1/4 from the water people put their shoes near the beach so their feet would be killing them. I am doing another tri this weekend. Just a Sprint but I feel in much better condition for this one.
-MC












Hi there,
My names Jason and this would be my very first post. So basically I am 22 and looking at getting into triathlons. I have been a serious weight lifter for the last couple years (ya someone that actually enjoys being in the gym) and always leaned to more of a power lifting training style. I am in good shape for what I did, being 6' even and weighing in at about 232 lbs carrying lots of bulk . I have always been on the big side and have a big frame most of the time hanging around the 4 pack level (13-16% BF) never able to get the bf% down low enough to get a 6/8 pack. I estimate that my race weight this year will be about 180lbs but I haven’t been that light since I was 13 so who knows.
I would like to get into triathlons (iron man distance) for the chance to accomplish something "great" as well as for the competition. I am a compulsive trainer so sticking to it once i make up my mind wont be a problem but.....
The body image of these sports is leaving me stuck (and going through a major training crisis that is leaving my life a little upset)
On one hand weightlifting/bodybuilding, high protein, high testosterone., big. I got bored of the look of being big even though i enjoyed the benefits of it. Dont like the body image that either body build or power lifting lead to. And its hard (almost impossible) to find fashionable cloths that fit.
On the other hand we have the triathlon. High carb, low testosterone. The exact opposite of weightlifting. I dont really like the body image of this sport either. From what I can tell most is pretty twig like. Very skinny but not at all cut or ripped. Just a very small version of what I am now.
Now I expect a bias view here (I posted the same question on bodybuilding.com for the other view) but what I am asking is there any chance of a balance between running tri's and looking ripped?
Mabye there are some of you that have gone through what im doing now. Im going to do this for at least a year just to see if I can hit an iron man in 365 days. But im a little afraid of what Ill look like after it.
I guess im just sharing my fear. Let me know if you have any comments.
Thanks a lot,
-Jason
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