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Ever been "overtrained?"

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started by LongTime on May 20, 2007

I realize the term "overtrained" had probably been overused, but wondered how people dealt with it or just being extremely tired for a few workouts in a row.

I cut a scheduled 55 mile bike ride to 45, feeling lethargic and just not at all into the workout. Strange feeling. Slow, too. Couldn't wait to finish.

Today, my 10-miler downgraded to 7. Just sluggish with no zip.

Severe "blah" might be the best description of how I've felt. Pretty cranky, too, according to my better half.

Some experts suggest 48 hours completely off, then try the next workout. If you feel the same, then take another 48 hours off. If the results are unchanged you may need weeks to fully recover from true overtraining.

What are your experiences?

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that as AG'ers, none of us have ever reached a status of bieing overtrained as it is usually defined, myself included. What we DO suffer from is the mental fatigue of trying to accomplish ALL of our training as well as our day to day lives. Pro's who do nothing but train can reach a state of overtrained, but they have 8 hours per day/ 7 days per week to train whereas we do not.
Now, as far as being sick of training due to fatigue or other responsibilities, you betcha' ya'!

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

I'm not sure... I wonder if AG'ers can reach an overtrained state due to training on not enough sleep or rest as a result of trying to fit everything in.

I've had those kinds of workouts where you just feel you need to cut it short, but I didn't consider it being overtrained, just under-rested, and trying to do too many hard days in a row. Heh... so maybe that is what Red was getting at with AG'ers never being clinically overtrained :)

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bromine99 posted 1 year ago.

Not sure if this is relevant, and I'm by no means a doctor, but back in my HS swimming days I was doing lots of two a days and I began becoming lethargic, sleeping in school, having crappy workouts, grades dropping etc.

Now I wasn't training any more than any of my other teammates, but I was working on weekends and taking lots of classes yada yada, and I was burning the candle at both ends so to speak. I'm sure many of us with jobs and families can relate to that.

I saw a doctor and the biggest thing for me was nutrition, specifically I wasn't getting enough of it. I had lost five pounds in a month that really didn't need to go, and I should have been keeping better track of my eating habits. My coach and I started recording what I ate, and I started carrying around a bag of bagels in school, which my teachers thankfully were cool with.

Flash forward to today and I find I'm still much more ready and willing to train hard when I've eaten sometimes more than I think I should. Again I'm sure everyone gets tired for different reasons, and I've seen a number of athletes get burned out for a variety of reasons, but if you think it's overtraining and the desire is still there it could possibly be nutrition related. Sometimes just taking time off is the best approach, same with work-related stress.

Good luck and I hope you feel better whatever it is!

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

Everyone is different. We all deal with stresses on our bodies differently....I think it is quite possible for an ag'r to be overtrained as our genetics and physical abilities are quite different from pros.
They are pros because they are able to handle the work...most of us are not. While the body is capable of tremendous things...not everyone's body is capable of being able to do the same things all the time....if it were we'd all be pro's and first basemen and linebackers and ballet dancers... we all have a niche.
Several times in my career I have definately been overtrained (while training for ultras) and with diet adjustment and days off...felt much better,more wise,and able to continue...your 48 hour plan is spot on...you won't lose anything with a few days off...

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Noel posted 1 year ago.

Hey guys and gals,

it doesn't matter if you are a novice or a veteran to the sport.
Everybody that excersises run the risk of getting overtrained.
If you don't excersise at al and just start training 15+ hours a week, the chance of overtraining is about 100%. Pro's can train more, but can rest more too, so the recuperation is better. So actually, maybe...we run more risk.

Back to the topic:
Recently I thought I was pretty close to overtraining.
The training wasn't all THAT much, but it was a lot of interval; running, swimming and just too much speedwork.
Took it down a noch for about 2 weeks, just a few workouts less and more aerobic miles, rest a lot.
Worked like a charm, one of the big things a (tri)athlete should learn ( according to Mark Allen among other coaches) is
LISTEN TO YOUR BODY

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wilsondaj posted 1 year ago.

The big thing with pros is that they have adapted thier bodies to train at a extremly high volume/intensity over years. Genetics play a role I am sure but I think the much more critical thing is how long you've let your body adapt to the stresses you are putting on it. I can train at a volume now in peak season that would have left me a wreck earlier in the season or at the same point a few years ago.

So I guess my point is yes.. you probably are overtraining/ burntout (although the actual definition of 'overtraining' is debated) taking some rest will do you much good, and look at what you had been doing the week or two previous to your burnout and look for something that might have led to it, like two hard workouts back to back or a missed rest day etc..

So I am with most of the other posters on this rest, eat well and be nice to your other half.. if they get upset with your grumpiness more then just your training will suffer.

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LongTime posted 1 year ago.

Appreciate the responses. Yeah, back-to-back hard days and, um, no days off. I'm an idiot. Just enjoy training and dislike off days. I was talking to a cyclist friend who told me of his burnout two years ago. He was hammering almost every day on the bike and racing anyone that tried to breakaway... just couldn't let someone go. One day in late July he was at the end of his group on a climb, feeling like a cold was coming on, dead legs, zero motivation, and basically wishing he was anywhere but on a bike. Long story short he took almost a month off except for a little hiking and leisure riding with his kids. Went from killer instinct to didn't care within a few days. I'm gonna mix some days off with recovery type training and see what shakes out.

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Jstyle posted 1 year ago.

Well I know first hand with proof what it means to over train. When I was ramping up for IMAZ I watched something weird happen. Even though my pace was getting slower and slower mile after mile my heart rate was getting higher. Before I could run a 330 marathon with my heart rate at 150. No I was as a 400 marathon with my heart rate at 160. I just pushed too hard for too long.

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ScottHughes posted 1 year ago.

I have overtrained some when I was gaining weight. I wanted to gain weight, but I didn't want to waste it so I trained a lot. It was okay, though. Eating more calories than I burned helped.

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Sandman posted 1 year ago.

I couldn't resist. I saw this thread and immediately thought about this quote

"If you overtrained, it means that you didn't train hard enough to handle that level of training," his fingertip rapping the the table for emphasis. "so you weren't overtrained: you were actually undertrained to begin with. So there's the rule again: The guy who trains the hardest, the most, wins"

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

I'm sure that worked for Floyd...Better living through chemistry and all that.
All you have to do is look at folks who used to be "great" in their respective endurance sport...Tri,marathon,road racing...and who are no longer around...due to injury and burnout...the direct result of overtraining...pushing too far for what their body is capable of and paying the price. If you've been around endurance sports long enough you know these people...or even..you used to know them because they don't show up anymore.

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LongTime posted 1 year ago.

Chris Carmichael frequently mentions the importance of rest and periodizatiaon, and how many athletes ignore this component of their training programs. I've learned first hand more than once that two many hard days and weeks without rest will eventually come back to bite you in a big way. Could be an illness, injury, or just severe lack of motivation, known by some of us as the "blahs."

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Star posted 1 year ago.

I've been *ahem* accused of "overtraining," and I may catch some slack for this comment. My last HIM had been in Nov and I took the rest of month off. I slowly got back into running in December, then hit running really hard in Jan. My first race of the season was a half marathon in February. I pushed distances quicker than I should have, and paid the price with the mental and physical fatigue. BUT, I ran my fastest half-mary ever (by like 13 minutes) and mentally that in itself has really made a difference this tri season. Sometimes its ok and maybe even necessary to push yourself beyond the normal limits of training...I think doing that has helped me realize that I can go faster, farther, stronger, etc. I also appreciate the Trifuelers telling me to back off sometimes too ;)

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