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Had been running a lot for the past 6 weeks. (Am following a 1/2IM training plan) and yesterday I had an Oly which I was more than sure I would rock.

My legs never complaint but the heat was horrible.

That said... Almost 80% of the run training I´m doing is in the afternoon with a much cooler temperature. And apparently that is not going to work that well.

My A race is in a very hot and humid place and I can´t race in a similar enviroment every day of the week(I can do it just on sunday).

What would you said the best approach would be to avoid these problem in my next race?

I was more than ready for yesterday but the fact that I was not ready for the heat made the whole experience a bit of a nightmare.

Should I train with more clothes on afternoon to simulate a hotter environment for my body or what?

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dr_rios_ec posted 1 year ago.

Hello Tikal...
I just posted a new thread, talking about heat...
Here in the south of the US, everyday, is getting hotter and tougher for me to train. The guys here, at Trifuel, have helped me with some tips, particulary pointing towards a better hydration strategy.
Now as fas as what I have read, how to prepare for a race that is going to be on hot and humid conditions, is to train under similar conditions. I have read things like people running on the treadmill with heaters on each side, or like Dean Karnases running in place, doing push ups and launges inside a sauna. I don´t now...maybe going to a coastal town for a few days where the climate is usually hotter, like a trainning camp....
Fighting the heat is something that lately has ben very interesting for me...and I am not used to it yet. Summer here is around the corner...and my HR, has been a little crazy...
Hopefully we can get more from the guys here...

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Triguy98 posted 1 year ago.

I dont really believe in training in the middle of the day to acclimate to heat. Why? The quality of your training will suffer big time. The best way to combat heat during a race is to get there a couple days early, hydrate very well starting a couple days ahead of time, and take in plenty of salt and fluids during the race.

All my summer training is done in the early morning or late evening, when temps are more bearable and I can put forth a stronger effort. I would prefer to be faster on race day and suffer the heat for a while than to be slow cause I wasnt training smart.

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brittda posted 1 year ago.

For IM Canada, I knew it would be hot, so did all my running in the afternoon:
1. hot so I got used to it
2. My run would be in the afternoon any way so not much different than the race. It worked well for me. Everyone is different.

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Triguy98;68283 wrote:
I dont really believe in training in the middle of the day to acclimate to heat. Why? The quality of your training will suffer big time. The best way to combat heat during a race is to get there a couple days early, hydrate very well starting a couple days ahead of time, and take in plenty of salt and fluids during the race.

All my summer training is done in the early morning or late evening, when temps are more bearable and I can put forth a stronger effort. I would prefer to be faster on race day and suffer the heat for a while than to be slow cause I wasnt training smart.

I partially agree with this in so much as it is good to have some morning workouts during the summer to work on speed. I recently have been helping a friend train for IMCDL and suggested, as temps here are very high, to find some mornings to train where he can push without his HR going through the roof to work speed.

BUT, I absolutely think it is very imporatnt to be as acclimated as possible to the conditions you are going to race in. If it's a short race and you are done early, it's not an issue. But for people who go 5 hours plus for a Half or for any full IM, you must be prepared for the temperatures you will encounter during the race, especially towards the end when fatigue is really setting in. Do I think I was in better condition to race at IMAZ due to my training here in AZ as opposed to someone like BBB coming from Canada? Absolutley. Not based on volume or mileage, simple because my cardio vascular system was acclimated for the environment. Cooling efficiency is something your body needs to train for. Even I need to go through a period of difficulty when our temps push 100 degrees until I become acclimated. But to avoid it would be a mistake.

In my upcoming build to Kona, I will be taking advantage of the high temps and relative high humidity of AZ in Aug and Sept. to be best prepared for Kona. Weekend morning provide opportunities for working on pace as well as one or two mid week sessions, otherwise it's train in 100+ and suck it up, buttercup! :D

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fittycent posted 1 year ago.

Triguy98;68283 wrote:
All my summer training is done in the early morning or late evening, when temps are more bearable and I can put forth a stronger effort. I would prefer to be faster on race day and suffer the heat for a while than to be slow cause I wasnt training smart.

I basically do the same thing, but also believe there is some value in training in the heat, if only for the psychological benefit (i.e. "I know I can do it because I've done it in practice").

I think you can have the best of both worlds by doing all your key workouts in the morning so that your performance doesn't suffer, but then maybe once or twice a week do a short recovery workout in the heat of the day.

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mdd posted 1 year ago.

Red5;68289 wrote:
...train in 100+ and suck it up, buttercup! :D

Best advice so far! If you want to be able to handle the heat then you need to train in the heat (not every day of course or quality will suffer) but do try to do it often. It is no different than teaching your body to go faster. If you always run 6:00pace but want to run 5:00pace it is not going to happen unless you actually run 5:00pace in training. Same concept in dealing with the heat so get out there and feel the burn!!!

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

Yeah, it's not that you don't push the pace even when it's hot. I don't use the heat as an excuse to train slow, I train the same and just adjust my heart rate expecatations accordingly. I found last summer that I was getting faster and faster despite the fact that some runs would be at a 8:00/mile pace in the dead of the afternoon. I still showed up at Olympics and ran low 6's and saw my 10K times drop, so speed was there as well as endurance and I was happy as a clam when it would get hot while my competition wilted away! Poor babys....

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brittda posted 1 year ago.

EXACTLY-- I always did my shorter stuff (speed work, etc)in the morning or evening or inside on the treadmill, but when it came to my long runs--tried to simulate the afternoon heat as best as possible (ok, remember I am in Seattle) by running in the afternoon.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

I suppose it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If speed is what you need then you would be forced to do it when it's cooler. But for long course, maybe 5-10% of my workouts in total had a speed component, the rest was all done at or below AT. I know a lot of coaches and programs have a much more speed work, but I can assure you we all need more base! Speed is just the icing on the cake, but you have to have a cake first. :).
Train in the heat, you will be a better athlete for it.

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

Train in everything..heat, rain, sleet, graupel, wind, humidity, snow...anything that Mother Nature can through at you (excuses allowed for hurricanes and tornados)..that will make you a better athlete...knowing that you can handle anything gives the mind some breathing space.
Oh...train on sunny, clear, windless, 65 degree days too.

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Tikal Dog posted 1 year ago.

Thanks guys!

Do you think it would be a good idea to wear extra clothing if the weather for my long runs isn´t that hot?

I mean....trying to simulate a hotter environment similar to my race? The hottest day I can have in Guatemala City is nothing compared to where I´m going to race. but I don´t know if that´s a good idea.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

That's a VERY good idea. :)

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

Have you ever tried it Red?

I've been thinking about similar, but mainly will need to get some humidity training (I will have the heat part). Any ideas on how to simulate that? I'm not sure exactly what to do, especially what to do without causing chaffing, etc.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

kyillee;68366 wrote:
Have you ever tried it Red?

I've been thinking about similar, but mainly will need to get some humidity training (I will have the heat part). Any ideas on how to simulate that? I'm not sure exactly what to do, especially what to do without causing chaffing, etc.

Hello! I live in Arizona, of course I haven't tried it, I'd die within the first 100 yards! :D
Actually, my coach suggested it to one of his athletes who was training for a warm weather race during the winter here. I have also read where this is effective for the bike and run. In regards to humidity, my coach may have me do some long trainer rides indoors next to his infinite pool. :eek: . That sounds perfectly awful...

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vanjames posted 1 year ago.

Bikrams is good practive for heat and humidity acclimitization - even if you just stand at the back for 90minutes.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

Red5;68370 wrote:
Hello! I live in Arizona, of course I haven't tried it, I'd die within the first 100 yards!
Actually, my coach suggested it to one of his athletes who was training for a warm weather race during the winter here. I have also read where this is effective for the bike and run. In regards to humidity, my coach may have me do some long trainer rides indoors next to his infinite pool. That sounds perfectly awful...

Well I figured there was a chance you haven't always lived in AZ... or have gone on vacation or something ;) But yeah, here I can get plenty of heat as well... and I have a training home option in Tucson, too.

Indoors by the pool... and I'm guessing without AC... yeah, sounds brutal! Not sure what I'll figure out for humidity.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

vanjames;68373 wrote:
Bikrams is good practive for heat and humidity acclimitization - even if you just stand at the back for 90minutes.

That's a pretty good idea... I'm not sure if I'll be able to afford it though... looks like the place I can find near me isn't necessarily in my budget.