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started by Triguy98 on May 7, 2007

Am I the only one who questioned the opening statement of the article? "Perhaps you have just finished your first race of the season and found yourself fatigued for days, muscle sore, and that the race was an overall shock to your system... This should be your wake up call; you are not training at intensities or durations that mimic that of your races."

When I race, I go all out. When I cross the finish line, I like to know I left absolutely EVERYTHING I had out on the course. This is normally followed by a couple days of soreness and funny walking.

I agree with the periodization of training, increasing intensity as the race day gets closer, that's basic training science. But will it help me overcome post race system shock? I dont think so.

Thoughts?

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

I actually think he makes a good point and agree with the article. When he states that your training will dictate your race results, he couldn't be more correct at least in my experience. I usually feel really good after a race and I don't think anyone would accuse me of not leaving it all out there, it's just if you are properly conditioned, you can go 100% for a race and have very few post race issues. I was amazed how quickly I recovered following IMAZ in regards to just feeling "normal". A year ago I ran a marathon in a less conditioned, less prepared state and REALLY suffered afterwards. I think that is the gist of what he is saying.

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Tribro posted 1 year ago.

Ya, I agree with Bryan. I think the gist is you need to simulate race conditions and what effort you'll be pushing during a race. You can't go fast in a race if you've never gone fast in practice.

Also I think if you look at pros or seasoned Ironman athletes the next day vs. first timers, you'll see a difference in their step. Rarely do I see a pro or top age grouper totally destroyed like I was for a few days ;) They've trained at those efforts and recover better because of it.

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Triguy98 posted 1 year ago.

I have no doubt that with the longer distance events, his article would really ring home. Preperation and planning to bring you across the line in XX:XX amount of time and sticking to the plan should be proceeded by a nice recovery without too much shock.

But lets say that in the last 10k of the run @IMAZ, youre in a tight bunch with 4 others in your AG. The pace goes way north of the comfort zone of pace XX:XX. Perhaps even to the point of LT. If youre fighting for a Kona Slot, are you gonna back down? And will that not have a significant impact on how the few days after the race goes?

Same thing applies, prolly more so with a Sprint. I get off the bike within :30 of a group of my peers. I may train for 6:15 miles, but that goes out the window. Adding a race similation is going to make the hurt from that effort go away?

I cant remember, even going all the way back to high school XC, not hurting for a couple days. Is it just me?

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Tribro posted 1 year ago.

I can definitely see that in shorter sprint efforts, where you're pushing your lactate threshold.

However, I think you can still train at these levels and improve your ability to hit them and recover. Look at elite athletes again that do 5k or 10k races. They aren't hurting the next day, I don't think. Look at pro cyclists who go all out during TT's and mountain stages only to do it all again the next day, for 3 weeks.

So yes you may not always be able to simulate a race, but I think he's saying you need to train for those scenarios in order to improve your performance and recover so you can get right back to training.

Anyway that's how I look at it.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

No, I think you are correct that if we exceed even our most vigorous training effort for a prolonged amount of time, we will suffer the consequences, either the next day in the case of a Sprint or around mile 20 of an Ironman. So much of triathlon, especially long course, is you against the clock as opposed to immediatley competing against those around you, so the scenario you describe is infrequent.
Again, in general, by conditioning yourself to race through training can minimize the systtemic shock of the actual event. I've see a lot of athletes less prepared race fast but be completely trashed afterwards whereas I usually feel very good.

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

Ya are what you eat...ya race how ya train...Your loved by those you love..it's all what goes around comes around.
My feeling has always been that if you are properly trained you'll be tired but not a basket case the week after your race.If you train hard..you can race hard...train long,race long...Feel too, that the more you race the more your body can handle the "shock."
The year I ran my 50 miler pr (9:30)..I had trained long and hard..after the race, tired,yes ...sore? Nope...Gone into my IM's a little undertrained and walked away fine...but I know guys who could do nothing for weeks because of their pain and fatigue levels.
Is there a genetic componant to this? People who are pros...because they can be? People who can reel off 100 mile runs 15 or 20 times a year and seem to suffer no ill effects.
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UFTriGator posted 1 year ago.

I think it's probably a lot easier to put your body into shock from shorter races with all things considered. Anyone who starts an Ironman is going to have tons of mileage under their belt already and won't be pushing as hard anyway since it's an Ironman. With shorter stuff, there are plenty of people who aren't in shape to do the race anyway, which is where the post-race soreness really hits home.

We do a fundraiser tri here on campus for the team at the beginning of the season, and it's really short. I finished in about 25 min, but my calves were locked up for about a week afterwards. I had been training plenty hard and had already done about half a dozen cycling races in the month leading up to that, but just the fact that it was the first real race effort of the season just kicked my butt. As far as training at race intensity goes, you'll never be able to mimic race situations in your training. It takes me 3 or 4 days usually to recover from an Oly, and if I were to do a workout that took that long to recover from, I'd never get anything done. I think that first-race shock every season is necessary for shorter racing distances to get your body accustomed to the stress. That's why I work "practice" races into my training schedule before an A race.

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Jstyle posted 1 year ago.

Anton;67774 wrote:
I know guys who could do nothing for weeks because of their pain a fatigue levels

Was that pointed at me? :) j/k well maybe it was...

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fittycent posted 1 year ago.

This is an interesting question, and one I've been thinking about the past few months.

I can identify more with TriGuy - I feel pretty hammered after every race. I look at these athletes who smile and wave at everyone as they finish their races and I wonder "How can they do that?" I've NEVER been able to even fake a smile near the finish of a race. I used to think athletes who felt good after a race just weren't "leaving it all out on the course," but now I just think they're in better shape than me.

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bryancd posted 1 year ago.

fittycent;67825 wrote:
This is an interesting question, and one I've been thinking about the past few months.

I can identify more with TriGuy - I feel pretty hammered after every race. I look at these athletes who smile and wave at everyone as they finish their races and I wonder "How can they do that?" I've NEVER been able to even fake a smile near the finish of a race. I used to think athletes who felt good after a race just weren't "leaving it all out on the course," but now I just think they're in better shape than me.

I don't think it's better shape, just how our bnodies respond to phsyical stress. Some of us may have higher levels of endorphins which get released and make us "feel" really good at the end of a hard effort. :)

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fittycent posted 1 year ago.

bryancd;67829 wrote:
I don't think it's better shape, just how our bnodies respond to phsyical stress. Some of us may have higher levels of endorphins which get released and make us "feel" really good at the end of a hard effort. :)

Could very well be - I must admit, I rarely get a "runner's high" if I go beyond about 10 miles. A more appropriate term for me would be "runner's cry." :)

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

I think different pain thresholds come into play as well... people are just comfortable at different places.

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