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So I finally got my free testing done by the doc who we did an addition for. Legs were still tired from Saturday's ride/run then Sunday's TT. Today was supposed to be a rest day, but figured what the heck.

Results were:

Aerobic TH 170.
Anaerobic TH 180.
VO2 56.6
Peak HR 192 (I've hit 200 not too long ago on fresher legs)
Recovery HR at 1 minute was down to 129 bpm from 192.

Also got a peak power test and topped out at 966 watts on tired legs.;)

So my zones have been luckily pretty close all along. Of all the athletes he's tested he did say I had the highest AT, AeT. Not necissarily a sign of fitness, just the way my body works! Also he, and the cardiac nurse that was there, was amazed that 30 seconds into the test I was at 140bpm. If he looks at just that he would say that I was extremely out of shape and the nurse said if she was doing a stress test on someone she would have stopped it 30 seconds in! I have always been that way though, as soon as I start excercising my HR goes up in anticipation of what's to come! But my recovery was excellent he said (he said athletes should recover at around 45+/- bpm after 1 minute.

So while the doctor trains he stated rarely gets above 145 bpm, but I am still in zone 1 at that HR. Just goes to show how different one person's body is from another's. The doctor explained to the nurse that if I were to spend all my time excercising at 145 bpm I would loose much of the fitness I've established and would get out of shape as that was not enough HR to make my body work!

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UFTriGator posted 1 year ago.

At 200 bpm max, that puts your AT at 85% MHR....pretty damn good! Did he give you new HR training zones, too?

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kkocan posted 1 year ago.

The test did raise my bike zones a bit. My initial testing by doing a 30 min TT and averaging the last 20 min had my LTHR at about 178 and I guess now it will be up to 180. That is about right as the TT I did last weekend I averaged 182 bpm for 30min.

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Jstyle posted 1 year ago.

Those number look a lot like mine. My Vo2 was 56.2 and my at was 160 with my aet at 180. However my max HR was 202.

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kkocan posted 1 year ago.

Jstyle;67340 wrote:
Those number look a lot like mine. My Vo2 was 56.2 and my at was 160 with my aet at 180. However my max HR was 202.

But I'm an old man at the age of 35! Harder for us fogies to hit the 200 mark! The doc doing the test did tell me the same as UF Tri Gator that my AeT was vey high as a percantage of my max HR and that it was also close to my AT (Anaerobic TH) which was good according to him.

I'm glad I had this done as I was nervous at times that I was training at too high of a heart rate for base miles etc...Like when you read about Red5 cranking out a sub 3 marathon at the same HR that I use for my zone 2 training! If I go on a long slow run my HR is still average about 160!

Just goes to show how different engines work!

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

Yep, this information is CRUCIAL to effect endurence training. As you said, kkocan, my Aet is around 162 which is my absolute best marathon race pace HR whereas your will be much higher.My AT is around 152 and I was able to finish IMAZ averaging 148, which is the highest base training HR I used all along.
Now that you know the hard numbers, you can feel confident to start working a 160-170 HR zone for your base training. For your age it's a very high number, usually mid 30's men are more int he 150-160 range. As you start to push 40, like me, 140-150 is more the norm. And the bottom line, it doesn't matter what the numbers are, what matters is how fast you can go within those numbers. Time for you to find out!

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kkocan posted 1 year ago.

Yes, now I can feel free to train at the higher HR without fearing I'm in too high a zone.

Today, for instance, was a nice easy recovery run 40 minutes at lunch. Didn't even break a sweat hardly, but my avg HR was 155! If I do a long run of say 1:30 or more my avg HR will usually be mid 160's without having pushed things too much.

The other funny thing is that while doing the VO2 test yesterday I was trying sooo hard to keep my HR down because I had been doing so much base training and no going above 170 or so that as soon as I started to go anaerobic I was like, ok, I'm pushing too hard and that's not good for my IM training gotta back off.

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kkocan posted 1 year ago.

Bryan,
In your training and periodic testing did you see your aerobic threshold climb closer to your anaerobic TH? I notice that yours too are about 10bpm apart. The doctor doing my testing, and I think I've read somewhere, siad that one goal of training was to get your aerobic HR as high and as close to yuour anaerobic TH (or LTHR) as possible. While the nurse that was present adminstering the test was questioning the doc about the large variance in results in people they've tested and she was really qestioning my high heart rates the doctor claimed that my high aerobic TH and the low (10) bpm difference between it and my anaerobic TH was a good indicator of a very fit person.

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ston_ar posted 1 year ago.

Although I haven't been formaly tested im kinda on the high end of the Hr scale too, im pretty sure I've hit 210 at some points for my max, but I do need to get tested some time in the next month or so. Kinda off topic, but im curious how much others have paid for a test like this. I found a place near me that will do it for $200, but that seems kinda pricy.

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Riverbrady posted 1 year ago.

Check with your local university if you can. We can get them here for about $90. The health clubs that do them around here charge ~$150.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

kkocan;67384 wrote:
Bryan,
In your training and periodic testing did you see your aerobic threshold climb closer to your anaerobic TH? I notice that yours too are about 10bpm apart. The doctor doing my testing, and I think I've read somewhere, siad that one goal of training was to get your aerobic HR as high and as close to yuour anaerobic TH (or LTHR) as possible. While the nurse that was present adminstering the test was questioning the doc about the large variance in results in people they've tested and she was really qestioning my high heart rates the doctor claimed that my high aerobic TH and the low (10) bpm difference between it and my anaerobic TH was a good indicator of a very fit person.

Kris

I would agree with that conclusion in regards to general fitness. The problem with HR is that it varies so much from person to person and is effected by many other variables. Ultimately, what is most important is not that you aerobic and anerobic thresholds are close together, what matters is how fast and efficient you become below your anerobic threshold and in your aerobic training zone, at least for long course racing.
My anerobic threshold was detected in my first VO2 test at 146. 7 months later it had climbed to 162. My aerobic training zones have always been 138-148. I never worked a strict aerobic number as I always seemed to get faster in this range, there was no reason to change it as long as the improvements continued.
A great test of my anerobic threshold was the PF Changs Marathon. There I ran a 2:59 marathon averaging 162bpm and can honeslty say I had next to nothing left at the end. It makes sense as anerobic threshold is considered to be your absolute marathon pace.
Sure enough, at IMAZ, my coach sent me out and told me to just stay in my 138-148 zone for the whole race. You know what my average HR was for 9:43 of Ironman? 148 exactly. It's almost spooky.

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Jstyle posted 1 year ago.

you know what my HR would have had to been to finish next to you 230 :)

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

Jstyle;67506 wrote:
you know what my HR would have had to been to finish next to you 230 :)

Or maybe 0 as they tried to restart it at the ambulance? ;)

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Jstyle posted 1 year ago.

Been there done that it doesn't make me any faster to run until my heart stops cuz I have tried ;)

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kkocan posted 1 year ago.

Red5;67483 wrote:
Ultimately, what is most important is not that you aerobic and anerobic thresholds are close together, what matters is how fast and efficient you become below your anerobic threshold and in your aerobic training zone, at least for long course racing.
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Sure enough, at IMAZ, my coach sent me out and told me to just stay in my 138-148 zone for the whole race. You know what my average HR was for 9:43 of Ironman? 148 exactly. It's almost spooky.

You said a mouthful. It is my understanding that you MAX HR is your MAX HR. By training, you can hope to raise your AeT. I know if I would have got tested a year ago my AeT would have been nowhere near 170, but my max HR would have probably been about the same. And ultimately, through training I have seen my bike and running get faster at a set HR that I am working out at below my AeT. So if, for me, I am working at 160+/- most of the time that will be my avg HR for IMoo. And luckily, each week I seem to keep improving my avg run/riding speeds but stay in that HR. Some, like Red, will get the same (or in his case faster) results as me but be at much lower or higher HR's, but they are still workign at a function of their AeT capacity.

On the same token as Red, while I have not yet done an IM to see where my avg HR comes in at, but I did do a TT last week which came in spot on for my AT (anerobic TH). I knew that I rode my best for the day as my avg HR for the race was a beat or two above my last tested AT for 30 minutes. Had I gone out too hard and blew up or not hard enough I would have expected to see my avg HR below the AT.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

Your IM HR zone will be the exact same zone that you will do 100% of your base training. You will know exactly how you perform within that zone in regards to speed and you will be able to extrapolate your projected times accordingly. I was so familiar with how I perfrom in my zone that prior to IMAZ I told anyone who asked what I thought I could do the follwoing: 1 hour swim, 5 hour bike, 3:30 run and that was exactly what I did. Training this way takes a lot of the uncertainty out of IM racing, and a lot of the anxiety because it's just a long training day at an effort level you are intimately familiar with. :)

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kkocan posted 1 year ago.

Red5;67563 wrote:
Your IM HR zone will be the exact same zone that you will do 100% of your base training. You will know exactly how you perform within that zone in regards to speed and you will be able to extrapolate your projected times accordingly. I was so familiar with how I perfrom in my zone that prior to IMAZ I told anyone who asked what I thought I could do the follwoing: 1 hour swim, 5 hour bike, 3:30 run and that was exactly what I did. Training this way takes a lot of the uncertainty out of IM racing, and a lot of the anxiety because it's just a long training day at an effort level you are intimately familiar with. :)

You left out the part where you said 'zones be damned...I"m making up for that flat!"....Seriously though, you are right on the money and that is what my coach is working on for me. A long day at the office in familiar territory.

Only somewhat difficult thing is that I live in a very hilly, very rolling area where it's hard to find flat rides. So I am constantly working the HR on the hills, trying not to push too much on the ups and too little on the downs. But, from what I hear, this will serve me will at IMoo!

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

RIDE THOSE HILLS!!!! Nothing made me stronger on the bike than lot's of climbing. I would do 90% of my training rides on routes which included plenty of climbing. On the few occasions where I would ride a flat route such as the IMAZ course, I would absolutely fly. A ton of people make the mistake of avoiding hills, but they are the single best way to develop stregnth that will crush those that fear elevation :).
And work the downhills, don't just coast, spin fast and keep that HR up!

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kkocan posted 1 year ago.

Yeah, not really able to avoid them around here. Especially where I live. No matter what kind of ride I do I get plenty of good hills. Up to 2-4 mile steady climbs, short steep bastards that you are in single digits on, stepped climbs that are steep, then flat, then steep etc... Especially since I live on a hill whenever I ride I can always look forward to a 2-3 mile climb home depending on the route I take.

I will definitely be ready for IMoo's bike course. And I definitely agree on the climbing. Some riders avoid hills like the plague, but if you got them ride them. I especially like doing a long ride of hills and not letting myself stand. Sitting build's a ton of leg strength, I feel.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

...and standing is a great way to quickly elevate your HR.

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AdventureBear posted 1 year ago.

kkocan,

What are some of your favorite sustained rides in Pittsburgh? I"m always looking for new routes or advice to give to others.

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kkocan posted 1 year ago.

Suzanne,

Actually I live about an hour and a half North of Pittsburgh. Metro Pittsburgh was the 'closest' on the area for me to pick in my profile.

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