Elliptical vs. Aqua Jogging
I understand from my PT, who I'm seeing about ITBS, that aqua jogging is fabulous for keeping the running muscles going without the abuse on the knee...but I haven't tried it yet (my gym's pool is less than 5 ft deep and the aqua-jogging she described to me involves floating in deep water with a belt and running in place).
I have done the elliptical and I don't think it's anything like running because now, as I return to it, my HR spikes on my runs so I'm alternating treadmill/elliptical until I can handle the treadmill...and then I get to run outside [can't wait!!!]
so if you can, do the aqua jogging if only part time...at least the major muscles will get some work
No reason to not do both. They will definately have different effects on your body and the combination would likely help you towards a more complete recovery than either alone.
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Thanks guys. I'm just really getting frustrated with not being able to run. I guess I'll put the stretches into overdrive. Luckily, I have a lot of time throughout the day to do the stretches so I'll just keep at it. I've never tried the aqua jogging but it seems pretty self-explanatory. Maybe I'll do like triguy98 said and try both. Could make for an interesting long run day. Thanks again.
-Johnie
stretching is crucial, definitely keep doing that!
Aqua jogging is great in that it is a nonweightbearing form of cross training in which you can work running muscles in the same motions. However, if your ITBS is due to friction of the IT band at the hip or knee, then you may still have a problem with jogging in water.
If your ITBS is more an issue with impact or ground reaction forces then aqua jogging will be great.
I'm also a big fan of elliptical training as cross training for running. It is less stressful than running (thus the HR spike), as are most modes of running cross training, not including cross-country or skate skiing.
Another favorite for cross training is walking on an inclined treadmill; start out at a brisk walking pace (3-3.5 mph), then incline the treadmill 2% every 2 minutes until your heart rate reaches your normal training zones.
The goal is to maintain aerobic and muscular fitness with activities that mimic jogging as much as possible, but without inducing injurious forces.
All that being said, your PT should have figured out WHY you sustained ITBS in the first place, and should be taking steps to solve it. If not, you will have a very difficult time training for a long course tri. While inadequate hip flexibility is contributory, it is not the most common culprit. Hip and core weakness and flaws in lower extremity biomechanics are usually the issue.
Your rehab should have a rapid progression through exercises that not only look like running motions, but eventually actually include running drills and intervals. Ask your PT if they have a plan for that.
Good luck!
Bruk Ballenger, PT, CSCS
USAT Level I Coach
realrehab.com
Thanks BrukB. My pain most time seems to be with impact. My PT found that I needed to work on strengthening my ADDuctors but other than that, I had no muscle imbalance problems, no gait problems, I got fit for the right shoes, etc. Just need more flexibility in my hips and hamstrings. However there was very little progression as far as running goes. I'd come in, walk/jog on the TM for about 10 min. Then do the stretches for about 15 mins, and finish with a run 3x5 min/walk 2 min sequence. After a few weeks of this building up to a whopping 3 miles with no pain, I was released and told to keep working on those stretches and gradually work up the mileage. But since you are a PT let me ask you a question. The PT also said that since we are trying to get more flexibility in the hips, I should avoid hip ABduction exercises, but could this not lead to later having imbalances in the hips? This a.m. I was able to go 1:15 on the elliptical with no problems and feel really good right now, but it is still frustrating. Thanks for your input.
-Johnie
I can sympathise with what you're going through. I just got released yesterday for running again after a few months off due to impact-related ITB issues.
If your pain is impact related I'd suggest aqua jogging as your primary and hands-free running onthe elliptical as your secondary (hands-free for balance reasons).
For the muscle imbalances, my PT started me out with working the specific deficiency and then partway through went to a more fully-rounded approach, to avoid something similar to the adduction/abduction you're talking about.
As far as getting back into running...if your place has it I strongly recommend the supported treadmill where they put in in a support vest and take some body weight off (think of the assisted pullup machine). I worked on those for a month or so starting at a painfree fun (-50 lbs for me) and decreasing 10 lbs every week if I could pain free until I hit -20lbs, at which point it was time to try running again with normal body weight.
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I developed ITB after imprudently resuming training after Disney.
What helped me was alot of stretching, foam roller 3 x per day.
The elliptical provides a two-fold benefit to running:
A.) It maintains leg strength and muscle memory
B.) It maintains cardio-intensity, so that you know your heart rate is nearly at a running rate
The pool provides both neuro-muscular memory, as well as compression for both the sore muscle groups you may or may not be aware of.
I second Tri-Guy , wherein you should balance your time between both.
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Sorry to jump a little off topic but I never ran across weight support treadmills. I destroyed a lot of my lower quad in a compound fracture in last august, and unfortunately w/o insurance i have been doing my rehab myself.
I'm good on the bike and swimming again but I'm missing a severe amount of the vastus medialis so I have a lot of knee stablity issues. So far trying to run on a treadmill is excruciating pain and I finally can just now make it through like 2/10ths of a mile.
Can anyone point me towards any info on these treadmills?? I'm hoping that PT isn't the only option at $100 a session w/o medical insurance.
Makes a 4k all carbon TT bike look cheap in comparison.
Rob
wow, if you're using the word "excruciating," you should really consider an alternate exercise, like the pool. I hope you're healing up well and progressively...makes my IT issue pretty humble.
in addition to stretching, these are exercises I did for lower leg stability/strength: mini squats; heel raises; lying on your back, lock the knee and do 2" leg raises, releasing the locked knee on touching the floor...standing on a telephone book bend the knee lowering the other heel until touching the floor (don't drop the hip to do it).
[do these all slow and smooth, start with 15 reps and work up to 50 (all smooth and slow)...these are supposed to get your micro movements stronger before going to the larger power movements...add reps before adding intensity as each movement becomes fluid]
don't do anything that's excruciating!!
sorry, no help on the weightless treadmill...someone post a picture/link when you find it
That's pretty much what I do, I'm following a half ironman training regime to try and accomplish the Miami Half Ironman I was originally shooting for on Nov. 2 and instead of running I have been doing weight and body weight exercises like you mentioned but the progress is slow and at 8 months of not running I'm getting really anxious. The issue is its really hard to work the same muscles you use running without well.. actually running.
The specificity of training principle seems to be holding me back. In the meantime patience is the key I guess. My lofty and somewhat arrogant goal in the meantime is to be first in my age group (21) after the bike segment and to just walk the run segment. I figure winning at least 2/3's of the race should be satisfying, at least for this year.
If anyone has any knowledge about this type of treadmill please speak up.
Rob
I hear you Rob. I've already started with all the negative thoughts and have told myself that if worse comes to worse, I can always work towards a decent swim and bike and just walk if I have to. I figure I'll be suffering by then anyways.
-Johnie
The issue is its really hard to work the same muscles you use running without well.. actually running.The specificity of training principle seems to be holding me back.
Rob - Try aqua jogging.. It uses the same muscles and will still strengthen these muscles more because of the resistance given by the Water.
I've been off running for 8 weeks due to Stress Fracture in my foot, and even though it's boring, water running has kept me sane by letting me still 'run'
I've done some research on the net and there have been studies that show Water Running maintains run specific fitness through injury.
I'm even planning on incorporating water running into my run training from now on (once i get back onto land). Probably once a week. That way I can keep up time 'running' while not putting too much pressure on my body.
This website is good -
http://www.pfitzinger.com/labreports/water.shtml
Tips on Techinque
*Try to simulate your normal running style.
*Don't 'paddle'- Keep a loosely closed fist and let your legs move you forward.
*Try to let the bottoms of your feet to kick the water behind you.
*Take short, quick strides. A fast cadence intensifies the workout.
*Expect a lower stride cadence. Remember water is more resistant than air and your pace will decrease accordingly.
*Your heart rate will be about 10 percent lower than at the same intensity on land. .
Here are some of my thoughts about dealing with Iliotibial band syndrome in runners. I see an inordinate number of runners because it is a specialty of mine. My thoughts on appropriate treatment often differ from the average PT or MD;
1) You should have a video gait analysis done (barefoot and with shoes on, walking and jogging) to see exactly what is happening throughout the lower kinetic chain. Without the ability to watch someone running in slowmotion and in freeze-frame mode, there is absolutely no way to see the mechanical flaws that may be causing excessive stress to the ITB. Trying to "eyeball" a running pattern is grossly inaccurate. This analysis should be done by someone who truly knows about correct running mechanics, and I hate to say this, but nearly all physical therapists have no idea what it should be. They are trained to note irregularities in walking gait, but not necessarily that of running, which is entirely different. If you have a video (or can make one) of you jogging on a treadmill with views from back, front and side, I can tell you whether or not you have true biomechanical issues.
2)Flexibility in runners is overemphasized. Running (other than sprinting) occurs in a relatively small range of motion that does not require even normal flexibility. Now, flexibility on the bike is an entirely different issue. With running, it is more important to have good muscular health and function. If a particular muscle or muscle group is sore, weak, or tight, then very specific stretching exercise are appropriate to reduce muscular tension, not necessarily to increase flexibility. I don't buy the idea that you simply need to increase the flexibility in your hips and hamstrings, or that strengthening your ADDuctors will resolve your issue .
3) I love water running, it rocks as a form of rehab or cross training. However, because it is nonweightbearing it DOES NOT evoke the same neuromuscular recruitment patterns as weightbearing exercises (ellipse, incline treadmill walking, jog/walk intervals, etc.), or training intensity. Your heart rate will be less than normal training zone for running, not because water increases movement resistance (which would actually increase your heart rate) but rather due to two things; the water rapidly dissipates body heat which decreases circulatory demand, and also because without requiring your muscles to deal with the gravitational forces of weightbearing there is significantly less metabolic demand. Cross training and rehab should not increase your symptoms, but should approximate actual running as much as your body will tolerate. Rob and Johnie, the specificity principal is king, and, given the amount of time between now and your main events, there should be no reason why either of you should have to walk your race (other than possibly intermittent walk intervals). Rob, unless you have a significant deficit in the structural integrity of ITB and related structures, you should have been running again long before eight months.
The question of "why" still remains. What mechanical issues originally caused your symptoms? Differentiate between biomechanical issues that are the result of your symptoms, the cause of your symptoms, or influence your symptoms. If someone is not running for eight months, then the cause of injury has not been addressed.
There are interesting psychological aspects of injury. Some athletes have chronic symptoms because they have issues that prevent them from maintaining a positive attitude toward training or competition. An injury lets them off the hook.
If that's not what you are dealing with, then you don't get let off the hook. You stick with your training program. All of your run workouts are still maintained within the parameters of comfort, meaning jog (walk/jog intervals) as much as possible without exacerbation, then cross train adhering to the specificity principal to fulfill your remaining training volume and intensity.
Cheers,
Bruk Ballenger, PT, CSCS
USAT Level I Coach
realrehab.com
I've never seen the treadmill setup anywhere but a PT office myself. The treadmill is just a standard 'mill. It's basically a framework around it that has a pressure-sensitive valve connected to a hip/chest harness that is connected directly above you that can be used to effectively reduce your bodyweight .
"Care more than others think is wise, risk more than others think is safe, dream more than others think is practical, expect more than others think is possible."
Thanks again Bruk. Very insightful. I know, almost 100% sure, that I injured mine in January. We got a warm day here one Saturday, and I went out for a 50+ bike ride. Very hilly and I went too hard. I had just put on new Look pedals and new shoes and up til then my longest winter ride was indoors on the trainer for about 35 miles. I simply went too hard too early. I first had the pain following that bike with a short 2 mile run. My running hasn't been the same since. I have since gone back to my old SPD pedals and shoes and feel good on the bike but the running still sucks. I'm gonna try to see if I can get a video of my running and get it sent to you. I guess we can try it on here if I can get it to work. Thanks for your help.
Johnie
-Johnie







O.K, so if you don't already know, I've been diaganosed with ITBS in R leg. After a negative MRI and 4-5 weeks of PT (stretching and other modalities) I began my running program again, albeit slowly. Well, I've recently had a few flare ups while only running up to 2.5-3 miles. I have no pain swimming or on the bike. Also, I've noticed that there is no pain while doing the elliptical. My question is this. Which would you try for the next 4-5 weeks to keep up the running endurance- elliptical or aqua jogging? Any thoughts would be great. As a side note, I'm currently training for IMKY in August and want to be ready, but if I just have to do the (elliptical/aqua jog) for the next few months to get the time in and just wing it in the race, so be it.
-Johnie