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started by jrh1667 on March 8, 2007

I am preparing for my first sprint with a HRM. I am wondering what levels should I try to maintain during my bike and run. My Lactate Threshhold is around 163 BPM.

Do you try to stay aerobic during the bike and run at LT during the run? I am unsure of what will maximize my effort in both areas.

Your advice is appreciated!

Jeff

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kkocan posted 1 year ago.

Sprints are tough cause it's pretty much all out for the entire race. I know in the five sprints I did last year I didn't wear a HR monitor and just went all out for the hour or so for each race. Not really much pacing, thats why they call it a sprint. My guess that I was well over my LT for much of the time cause at the end you're shot.

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christri25 posted 1 year ago.

jrh1667;63916 wrote:
I am preparing for my first sprint with a HRM. I am wondering what levels should I try to maintain during my bike and run. My Lactate Threshhold is around 163 BPM.

Do you try to stay aerobic during the bike and run at LT during the run? I am unsure of what will maximize my effort in both areas.

Your advice is appreciated!

Jeff

you should read 'the maffetone method" it is a pretty conservative book on how to train using a HRM. Not sure if you have a medical condtion but you should forget using the HRM during a sprint. I say this because during a sprint , you should just be going hard the whole time.

Just my 2 cents.

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Ironmom posted 1 year ago.

Yep, every time I do a sprint I think to myself "How could I forget how much this hurts!". Forget the HRM, it's all out until you cross the line.

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

I never race with a HRM...Sprints especially. Always felt they were a tool for training, not racing...

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jrh1667 posted 1 year ago.

That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure. How about during a HIM or IM? Just curious....

Jeff

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

Don't use them for any race..
Can't tell ya how many races I've been to from 5k to IM to Ultras and you always run into folks whose HRM is beeping like mad...they are either low,or more often than not, red lining. I know folks who could go alot harder in races but don't because they are more focused on their HRM than the race.
What is the point of using a HRM if you don't pay attention to it?
I think RPE and going by feel is better for race day.
Short races are about cutting lose...(Melville: "If his chest were a cannon he would have shot his heart upon it.")
Longer races are about restraint and pacing and I honestly feel that going by feel on a long race day produces better results.

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tri-ac posted 1 year ago.

i like my HRM for races

i'm new to endurance sports (1 season) and i haven't yet developed an internal regulator that knows how hard is hard enough so the HRM helps me finish the race without blowing up

so far, I've been going 5-10 bpm over LT heart rate for Olympic distance. i've heard some ironman athletes here say an Olympic should be run all out, but going 3 hrs all out for me is not reasonable...

my beginner $0.02

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PJT posted 1 year ago.

I try to use an HRM for 1/2 iron and iron. It's basically there to act as a speed limit during the bike leg (usually no need during the run, as my speed is plenty limited there and perceived effort is easier for me to judge on the run).

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

I almost always wear a HRM for racing and training. However, in races I have been known to shut off the zone alarms. I wear it so that I have the info later: it helps me judge current fitness, and I later use it to get an idea of what kind of HR I was at for certain hard efforts.

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brittda posted 1 year ago.

I used mine for IM and found it helpful

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Ironmom posted 1 year ago.

I liked having the HRM for the IM distance (first race I've used a HRM in). I bought it because I didn't want to overamp on the bike. I'm a fast swimmer and typically the guys who come out of the water with me are much faster bikers. I figured if I started chasing them, I'd never finish the marathon. RPE only takes you so far when you add in the adrenaline and taper for race day.

I saw a lot of walking wounded in the last 15 miles of the marathon that day that probably could've used a HRM to not exceed the right HRZone on the bike course. I was happy with how I felt in the marathon, so I think the HRM was a good idea! I didn't let it beep or anything, just checked it periodically on the bike course, and ignored it totally on the run course.

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bluebirdbiker posted 1 year ago.

Until you learn about your body and where the HR is relative to the effort, for long races like 1/2s and IMs I would use an HRmonitor. You could blow yourself up easier if not.

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Jstyle posted 1 year ago.

I like the RPE but I am going to use my HRM in the IM next month. I think if I use it then it will help me limit my bike speed so I can still finish the marathon.

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OzTriGuy posted 1 year ago.

Its good to use a HRM if you aren't familiar with the discipline you are doing. For me that is the bike (HIM&IM). It and RPE helps me to judge my pace for the whole race and therefore make more informed decisions about if I should go with that guy or not. I still wear it for the run, but it is more for info than anything else. Note, that it is combined with my RPE as well not just heart rate, I too have a few friends who justy aren't prepared to risk it and therefore never pull a real good result. Heart rate racing for the HIM & IM is the best bet for first timmers or thos who are n ot sure they will make the distance.

However, for short course, I don't wear one because making a mistake in effort won't be as devastating as it is in HIM & IM.

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solidad posted 1 year ago.

I would not use it for a sprint. As everyone says, it's all out. I remember one time in an MTB race I had my HRM, I looked down and it was really high and it scared me, so I backed off. Found out at another race, that I couold have sustained the effort and had a better finish.

I am doing my first HIM in May and was thinking about using it. And now with the adivce above, I'm definitely using it to regulate the bike portion.

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Ironmom posted 1 year ago.

solidad;64196 wrote:
I would not use it for a sprint. As everyone says, it's all out. I remember one time in an MTB race I had my HRM, I looked down and it was really high and it scared me, so I backed off. Found out at another race, that I couold have sustained the effort and had a better finish.

I had a similar experience. When I first got the HRM, I used it in a race but didn't look at it until afterwards and was totally blown away by how high my HR was. I basically had it at 160 for 2.5 hours, and my Z4 starts at 162. But that's what I race at for Olympic or shorter using RPE, so I guess my body knows exactly how to keep it just under anaerobic and can do so for a long time. I was pretty amazed at how well RPE was working for me to keep me exactly at the right place, but also kind of scared by how high my heart rate can go for so long. I know it's okay though because that's how I've always raced and I haven't expired yet :p

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OzTriGuy posted 1 year ago.

Ironmom;64199 wrote:
I had a similar experience. When I first got the HRM, I used it in a race but didn't look at it until afterwards and was totally blown away by how high my HR was. I basically had it at 160 for 2.5 hours, and my Z4 starts at 162. :p

I recenlty averaged 171 for a half ironman distance race, all the aerobic training appears to help me avoid lactic acid a bit better than I used to.

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Atropos posted 1 year ago.

I did a duathlon on the weekend and averaged about 175bpm for the entire race (5k/20k/5k). What really surprised me was hitting 191bpm at one point during the first run, given that my max is (in theory) 194bpm.

I felt fine, but I think race nerves/cardiac drift had a lot to do with that. I should probably work on getting that under control before an Ironman.

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