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started by Slimpee on March 1, 2007

I'm going to compete in my first sprint tri indoors in late April. While my swimming form is much better than when I started (no more looking like a dog) i'm having trouble with endurance. Perhaps it's an issue of not pushing myself but i just seem to have trouble going more than 100 meters before stopping. Last night I did 350 meters or so but w/ 10-20 seconds in between each lap. Any tips for a noob that sucks at swimming? I do lift 2-3 times a week but nothing high-impact for my shoulders, just one exercise. Should I stop this?

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gfd posted 1 year ago.

Are you stopping because of being out of breath/heart rate too high or muscle fatigue?

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Slimpee posted 1 year ago.

a little bit out of breath but mainly muscle fatigue.

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Ironmom posted 1 year ago.

Usually if otherwise fit people are having trouble with endurance in the pool, I would suspect that form and technique are still the main limiter. As an example, I swam with my sister last weekend and she hasn't swam in over a year. She quickly blew away almost everyone in the pool (including triathletes and Master's swimmers), even though she is not conditioned right now. Her form however is quite good.

Are you working with a swim coach? That would be my first suggestion. How many strokes per length does it take you? If it is over 20 (for a 25 yard pool) then technique is definitely limiting your efficiency and thus your endurance. Length of glide, body position, and correct catch and pull are some of the things that have a big effect on how efficient your stroke is.

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rjnuck posted 1 year ago.

I had the same problems that you did. My muscles would tire real quickly. But instead of stopping and holding onto the edge, I would swim a 25m of easy breaststroke. This helped me tremedously and before I knew it, I could swim 800m of freestyle at a time.
In my opinion, it is kinda like when people first start running. Instead of running for 5 minutes and then stopping, walk for a minute then keep running. Your gains will be much quicker. Good luck!

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vanjames posted 1 year ago.

Where ia your muscle fatigue? In the shoulders? In your back? If you are lifting 2-3 x per week are you lifting for strength and power or doing light weights with higher reps. If you tax you lats before hitting the pool you will have a harder time. I assume your legs are sinking as well which is causing you to pull yourself throught he water with your upper body - seeking some form correction as mentioned in another post will assist in this area. Also try lifting after swim days not before and see if this helps.

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lloydte posted 1 year ago.

I agreee with ironmom, this is clearly a case for poor technique and efficiency. I had exactly the same problem when I first started out swimming, the most beneficial thing for me was getting a few lessons under my belt, this can make just a couple of alterations that can make a huge impact on your overall swim performance.

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Slimpee posted 1 year ago.

good suggestions. in terms of lifting i don't lift on swim days but i will often lift the day before or after. i'm not power lifting and i only do one shoulder exercise as to not overwork the shoulders. I think that getting some lessons is a spectacular idea...

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Slimpee posted 1 year ago.

i am currently wearing board shorts. would it help to get something w/ less drag?

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gfd posted 1 year ago.

Jammers will make you somewhat faster, but psychologically they might make you feel a lot faster.

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UFTriGator posted 1 year ago.

gfd;63814 wrote:
Jammers will make you somewhat faster, but psychologically they might make you feel a lot faster.

Unless they're fastskins, they won't really make you any faster than a speedo...they just cost more. Don't go out and buy a fastskin, though...you look silly if you practice in one of those. I think the best thing to wear for training is a speedo and drag suit (the kind that's about the same size as a speedo, not shorts). You don't want your drag to get in the way of your stroke technique (mucho importante for swimming!)

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koko posted 1 year ago.

Some lessons and following a good beginner workout program will really help. I know this program has worked for a bunch of new swimmers.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/e/x/exk7/SwimWorkouts.html/ZeroTo1mile.html

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thebeatcatcher posted 1 year ago.

Slimpee;63789 wrote:
good suggestions. in terms of lifting i don't lift on swim days but i will often lift the day before or after. i'm not power lifting and i only do one shoulder exercise as to not overwork the shoulders. I think that getting some lessons is a spectacular idea...

shoulders aren't the only thing that will tire out due to over lifting. IMHO lats and tris would be of more concern than shoulders when thinking of swimming fatigue from lifting.

it's probably a combination of both form and fatigue from lifting. i would lay off the lifting for tris, lats, possibly shoulders for a little while so you are most efficient while working on your form or endurance. personally, i'm a noob runner/cyclist and i've found recovery from lifting legs and then running/cycling is much different and easier than an upper body recovery for swimming.

in fact, i have slightly bad shoulders from swimming and sometimes that is the only thing i do a lift workout on (light weights) purely for injury prevention.

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thebeatcatcher posted 1 year ago.

Slimpee;63813 wrote:
i am currently wearing board shorts. would it help to get something w/ less drag?

yes, at least until you get a good form. wearing drag suits does have benefits but i wouldn't recommend it until you are comfortable with your stroke. it's like playing basketball in hiking boots.

get a speedo, like UFTrigator said, or jammers. i'm an old skool speedo guy, too bad my old ones don't fit anymore!

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ston_ar posted 1 year ago.

Or you could shell out for one of these ;)
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But seriously i have to say go for the brief cheapest and least drag, plus it makes you look cool.

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OzTriGuy posted 1 year ago.

I agree with Ironmom IT IS MOST LIKELY TO BE POOR TECHNIQUE. The shorts or pants won't matter that much and I regularly do weights on the same day or day before swimming and it doesn't matter that much. Unlike biking and running where miles matters most. In swimming technique does. You can swim heaps and not really improve because you are just practicing the same mistakes over and over again. In swimming you need to be become a "student" of swimming to really improve from the basic level.

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OzTriGuy posted 1 year ago.

Vanjames...Thats a long way to come for an Ironman!!!

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vanjames posted 1 year ago.

What's 16+ hours on a plane? :) We're making it a vacation as well visiting some family in Brisbane and further north after the race. Looking forward to some good weather and some R&R aussie style.

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Slimpee posted 1 year ago.

thanks for the tips. i guess i should probably shell out the $$$ for a dvd or lessons. i have a good buddy that swam in college but he's on the road now doing podcasts for a band so maybe i'll buy him some Chipotle in exchange for a few sessions...

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vanjames posted 1 year ago.

mmmm Chipotle.