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which is better, standing or seated climbing?

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UFTriGator posted 1 year ago.

Standing in a higher gear gives you more power, but sitting and spinning will generally produce less lactic acid. It will vary from situation to situation. As you ride more and more, it will become second nature as to which you should be doing at any given time. In triathlons especially, since you're always trying to save your legs for the run, it's generally better to sit, but of course there are times when that'll just be too slow. A really good addition to a workout (especially early in the season) is to focus on always sitting on the climb and pushing a bigger gear than normal. This will strengthen your hip flexors a great deal not only help on your climbing, but make your time trialing more powerful, too.

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mdd posted 1 year ago.

Whether you should sit or stand on a climb all depends on bodyweight. Although you should sometimes stand even if your weight says that you are a seated climber just to mix up your muscle groups. How much do you weigh and how tall are you?

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

I've always heard it depends on the hill -- if it is a longer one, all or most of it seated, and shift down and such. For a shorter but steeper kind of thing, sometimes it's best to hold momentum and just power over it, which means standing.

This of course also depends on the type of ride -- if in base and trying to keep HR low, then I'm more likely to cruise up the hill seated with higher cadance.

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thebeatcatcher posted 1 year ago.

mdd;62124 wrote:
Whether you should sit or stand on a climb all depends on bodyweight. Although you should sometimes stand even if your weight says that you are a seated climber just to mix up your muscle groups. How much do you weigh and how tall are you?

i'm 6'0" and weigh about 220, but i should be down to about 210 by my first sprint in june, that is my goal anyway.

i was wondering b/c i am taking the cycle classes at the gym (no riding outside here in the midwest yet) and they do a lot of "hills" and standing up. i mostly prefer sitting, and i feel i get a better workout. but at the same time i feel kind of stupid when the whole class is standing except for me, like i can't do it or something. but i do keep along with resistance levels.

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thebeatcatcher posted 1 year ago.

kyillee;62137 wrote:

This of course also depends on the type of ride -- if in base and trying to keep HR low, then I'm more likely to cruise up the hill seated with higher cadance.

i think that's where i'm at right now.

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RV posted 1 year ago.

Standing does recruit more muscles and is more energy consuming.
In a sprint I will attack the hills - for an IM I will climb steady and typically be seated with a higher cadence.

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thebeatcatcher;62138 wrote:
i'm 6'0" and weigh about 220, but i should be down to about 210 by my first sprint in june, that is my goal anyway.

i was wondering b/c i am taking the cycle classes at the gym (no riding outside here in the midwest yet) and they do a lot of "hills" and standing up. i mostly prefer sitting, and i feel i get a better workout. but at the same time i feel kind of stupid when the whole class is standing except for me, like i can't do it or something. but i do keep along with resistance levels.

the "hills" and the lots of "standing up" is mostly put in to increase the intensity to really give the participants a sense of a great workout. Is it a general spin class or a class designed for cyclists? If you are on a specific plan or have certain goals, don't feel stupid. Do what benefits your goals the most.

but also don't get "lazy" so to speak and never get out of the saddle. If you are training for a sprint, I would practice out of the saddle for power.

"Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again."

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fittycent posted 1 year ago.

thebeatcatcher;62138 wrote:
i was wondering b/c i am taking the cycle classes at the gym (no riding outside here in the midwest yet) and they do a lot of "hills" and standing up. i mostly prefer sitting, and i feel i get a better workout. but at the same time i feel kind of stupid when the whole class is standing except for me, like i can't do it or something. but i do keep along with resistance levels.

I think THEY should feel stupid for standing up half the time on a bike ride.

It's similar here - most of the spin classes involve way too much standing, so I just keep sitting most of the time. Most people don't care whether I'm sitting or standing, and if they do, so what? I'm in charge of my workouts. The instructor can enhance the experience, but when push comes to shove, I'm going to get the workout that I need.

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tripece posted 1 year ago.

normally I go most of the time seated when I'm climbing and my body tells me when I must standing.

So listen your body.

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chrisrunzs26 posted 1 year ago.

My spin instructor knows I'm a triathlete and we have about 3 of us in class. So when we do slightly to alot different things on the bike she understands why. If your instructor is looking funny at you maybe you could explain to him/her what your goals are. Mine has even added more seated climbs for us doing longer Tri's and Tris with longer hills. Other than that just do what you need to do, that is why you are doing the class.:)
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Anton posted 1 year ago.

Most people going to spin class aren't tri heads and are interested in building a really nice looking bum. Standing on the cranks alot will build a really nice looking bum.
I stand and power over the short hills...stay seated and spin up the long ones.

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Homebrewermike posted 1 year ago.

In my experience with spinning classes the instructor was always trying to get us to pretend we were climbing a really long hill by sitting and increasing the resistance so much so that we were only doing 20 rpms or so. My common sense and knees told me that this was very bad. Especially in the off season. So I stopped listening to her and started doing my own high rpm workouts. I now wear my heart rate monitor and do what it takes (more/less resistance, sit/stand) to stay in my chosen zones.

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mdd posted 1 year ago.

thebeatcatcher;62138 wrote:
i'm 6'0" and weigh about 220, but i should be down to about 210 by my first sprint in june, that is my goal anyway.

i was wondering b/c i am taking the cycle classes at the gym (no riding outside here in the midwest yet) and they do a lot of "hills" and standing up. i mostly prefer sitting, and i feel i get a better workout. but at the same time i feel kind of stupid when the whole class is standing except for me, like i can't do it or something. but i do keep along with resistance levels.

You need to stay seated during all of your climbs. Given your size you will generate more power with less fatigue by staying seated. Again take this with a grain of salt and remember that if you are doing a long ride then standing (even on a flat assuming there are no hills) is worthwhile just to target all of your muscles and keep general circulation going.

Also I would get out of spin class ASAP and ride outside or at home on a trainer. Spinning and riding are very different things and even on a trainer you can simulate real riding better than in a spin class. But that is just my opinion and I suppose spin class is better than no riding at all!

Good luck!

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TBRAVO posted 1 year ago.

Spin classes are great but there are some riding / form differences between a Spin-bike and your road bike. For me I have a harder time finding the correct out-of-the-saddle form on a spin-bike. I have the tendency to power all the way thru the 6 O’clock position on a spin-bike when standing. This is bad on a road bike because too much of your energy is driven into the road instead of up the hill. I think it’s because I can’t get that slight side-to-side lean on a spin-bike to get the form/cadence right. On my road-bike I practice breaking a hill into sections, then I will sit and spin some sections and stand on others. Normally I will sit on long gradual sections and stand on shorter more intense sections. And of course I stand thru the top of a hill to impress the women.:D
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thebeatcatcher posted 1 year ago.

mdd;62192 wrote:
You need to stay seated during all of your climbs. Given your size you will generate more power with less fatigue by staying seated. Again take this with a grain of salt and remember that if you are doing a long ride then standing (even on a flat assuming there are no hills) is worthwhile just to target all of your muscles and keep general circulation going.

Also I would get out of spin class ASAP and ride outside or at home on a trainer. Spinning and riding are very different things and even on a trainer you can simulate real riding better than in a spin class. But that is just my opinion and I suppose spin class is better than no riding at all!

Good luck!

yeah, that's what feels best too.

believe me, i'd love to get outside and ride. but we have a blizzard warning right now and 7" of snow on the ground already! maybe march is hopefully a different story. that and i can't afford a trainer either right now, maybe next season.

and i can definitely tell there's going to be some differences, the way some of the people "ride" in that class, there's no way that would ever work on a real bike!

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Homebrewermike posted 1 year ago.

Beatcatcher,

How thick is the ice on your lakes? Got a mountain or cross bike? I saw a guy out on the lake last weekend getting in a heck of a workout on his mountain bike. Sure looked like a lot more fun than being on an indoor spinning bike.

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solidad posted 1 year ago.

In my opinion, its seated the majority of the climbs, unless its a really short climb that you want to burst up. What's important is to teach your body to spin. Cadence has as much to do with power as strength. It's also a style thing, look at Lance, he will get out of the saddle to shake someone loose, but even on the toughest climbs that are sustained, he just spins at a high cadence.

I also agree with spinning for Tri's as you can generate as much power, work the heart and save, somewhat, the legs.

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thebeatcatcher posted 1 year ago.

Homebrewermike;62255 wrote:
Beatcatcher,

How thick is the ice on your lakes? Got a mountain or cross bike? I saw a guy out on the lake last weekend getting in a heck of a workout on his mountain bike. Sure looked like a lot more fun than being on an indoor spinning bike.

holy cow! not many lakes in my immediate area, and that's a little intense for where i'm at right now. and a little cold, wind chills are down around zero.

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sflynn posted 1 year ago.

I can't say if my way is any more effective but it seems to help me get up the hill at reasonable pace without killing myself. I try to visually divide the hill into 3 parts: part 1: ride seated until I can't keep cadence, stay seated for two more lower rear-wheel gears, part 2: come out of the saddle for the middle third, part 3: gear down two more gears (or more if need be) and get back in my seat. Hope that makes sense.
Of course it depends on the hill size; smaller hills I just push through them while still on my fanny. And during training I may purposely stay seated to build hip flexor strength.

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Homebrewermike posted 1 year ago.

thebeatcatcher;62291 wrote:
holy cow! not many lakes in my immediate area, and that's a little intense for where i'm at right now. and a little cold, wind chills are down around zero.

That's too bad. Here in Madison we have an abundance of lakes. I did an hour snowshoe run across one last night with a couple of friends. Nothing like the sound of cracking ice under your feet to get your heart rate up. But not to worry, it's about a foot thick and they're driving cars on it. I'll go outside whenever it's above -5F. Otherwise I'd be stuck inside all winter.

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OzTriGuy posted 1 year ago.

If you use a heart rate monitor you will notice that standing when climbing will raise your heart rate by 5 -10 BPM compared to sitting. This will result in more fatigue/energy usage. I stand to stretch the legs, lower back and give my bony butt a rest. I also use standing to just power over some small inlcines. I have noticed since getting a bike setup and fitted properly I can stay setaed on all climbs now and not lose any speed.

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VTIRON posted 1 year ago.

I train with a woman that holds the IM Age Group record at Kona. I am behind her most of the time except when she lets me go in the front. In a long ride over varied terrain she may stand once or twice and it may be on a flat to stetch the legs. She is in the saddle and on the bars 99% of the ride.
Do my best to mimic success.

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Keebler71 posted 1 year ago.

From the book Going Long by Friel and Byrn (p.76):

"Smaller riders (less that 2 lbs of body mass for every inch of height) usually climb best when out of the saddle, whereas bigger riders (more than about 2.3 lbs per inch) climb more effectively seated. Top riders between these extremes often alternate between sitting and standing but spend more time seated. The standing position is less economical on a moderate grade , but on a steep hill standing reduces the feeling of effort."

Not that I know anything but this Friel guy is supposed to know a thing or two...