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I'm looking to switch my current 9-speed road setup from a triple to a 50/34 compact. Riding would be mostly in the hills and longer distances (very little racing). For those that have made the switch, what do you run on the rear cassette? Do you think an 11 tooth cog is recommended or does a 12-23 suffice?

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glbrum posted 1 year ago.

The only thing you lose with a 12-23 when running compact crank is a slight bit of your high end speed. Essentially what I mean is that a 50-11 gear ratio is slightly bigger than a standard 53-12 and a 50-12 is a little smaller. I would only see this effecting you on long down hills where you would hammer. At the point where you would spin out I think you should be coasting and in a tuck anyway. You'd be surprised how fast you can go in the tuck without pedaling.

I'd say go with the 12-23 as I'm assuming that's what you currently have....

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UFTriGator posted 1 year ago.

glbrum is right. Just to elaborate a bit, pushing a 50:11 at 90 rpm on a 700c bike is a bit over 33.5 mph. 100 rpm is almost 37.3 mph. Of course if you want to hammer down hills that fast, more power to you! The rush over 40mph is intense.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

I just got a 50/36 and went with a 12-25 on it. I have a 53/39 now with a 12-25 and, and the compact with a 12-25 made my easy gear just a bit easier. Like mentioned about, the higher gears are mostly just for hammering down hills, and I'm a tucker at that point so loosing some top gears didn't matter to me. The goal was instead to get my easiest to be a bit easier as I could use a higher cadence on hills ;)

I'll let you know how that goes for me once the new bike arrives (within a weekish)!

Out of curiosity, why are you switching from a triple to a compact? From what I've heard, although a double is easier to keep aligned you'll have to replace enough components that it just isn't worth it.

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PJT posted 1 year ago.

Thanks all,

Kylee--the alignment is definitely a reason I want to switch. The other is more effecient use of the gear range on the rear casette--I've just come to the conclusion over this winter that a triple really does not give you anywhere close to 27 gears, so I'd rather have a tighter, simpler, set to work with than to always be moving the front derailleur.

I have a 12-27 on the shelf that I plan to use for the really hilly stuff (to simulate a triple), but I wanted to know what a good everyday cassette would be. Looks like 12-23 is the answer for me.

As far as cost--not that bad. My reading indicates that my current STI shifter and derailleurs should be OK. So all I'm planning on changing is the crank and BB. I will probably do a new chain & cassette too, but that's strictly based on the condition of the current ones. Using eBay to find the parts, all told I'm right around $180. Let me know if I'm missing something big here.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

I wasn't sure what the things were... it was just something a bike tech once mentioned to me. So you are probably fine. I think on the bike I was looking it it also involved a shifter change and such.

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RV posted 1 year ago.

I have a compact crank and went with an 11 on the rear. It is needed for the downhills. No issues for uphills around here - used it at IMWI. Will also give it a go at the HHH - Horribly Hilly Hundreds this year.

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PJT posted 1 year ago.

Just thought I'd give everyone an update here on the compact crank upgrade. Short answer -- I like them a lot. With a simple cassette swap, my road bike can now be geared more or less like a road double (Using a 12-23 instead of my typical 12-26) or a road triple (by throwing my 12-26 on the back). All with less shifting and a tighter range between gears. I've had the bike out on the road already and am really pleased.

The one "extra" I ended up opting to buy was an FSA compact front derailleur. My shimano triple worked OK but I had to feather it a lot to avoid chain rub. The compact derailleur lets me use 8 out of 9 cogs in each ring with minimal to no feathering. My existing 105 triple/double STI shifter works fine with this setup.

Total damage wasn't too bad:

Crank and BB: Ritchey Pro 50/34 and Ultegra Octalink purchased from eBay, new: $126.
Compact FD: $30 from eBay ,new.
Tools: $43 for a crank puller, BB tool, and large 8mm hex wrench (my multi tool 8mm lacked enough leverage to loosen my old cranks) I bought all these at the LBS because I'm impatient that way--probably could have gotten better pricing off the internet.

Only other necessary things were a crescent wrench to work the BB tool and bike grease, both of which I already had.

$199 all told. Doing it myself took longer than I care to admit, but was worth it in the long run, I hope.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

glad you found what works for you! I rode my compact for the first time over the weekend and it felt great! Part of course was the adrenaline of a new bike, but I just felt that I didn't have to worry about gearing any more, and that was a good feeling.

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christri25 posted 1 year ago.

PJT;61892 wrote:
I'm looking to switch my current 9-speed road setup from a triple to a 50/34 compact. Riding would be mostly in the hills and longer distances (very little racing). For those that have made the switch, what do you run on the rear cassette? Do you think an 11 tooth cog is recommended or does a 12-23 suffice?

Thanks!

i have a brand new FSA carbon Compact crank set for sale if you are interested. the cranks are 170mm but they measure up to my 172.5 mm shimano cranks. they are the pro version at about 515grams.

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PJT posted 1 year ago.

christri25;64573 wrote:
i have a brand new FSA carbon Compact crank set for sale if you are interested. the cranks are 170mm but they measure up to my 172.5 mm shimano cranks. they are the pro version at about 515grams.

Too late--already did the conversion. But thanks!.

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Pete L. posted 1 year ago.

kyillee;64553 wrote:
glad you found what works for you! I rode my compact for the first time over the weekend and it felt great! Part of course was the adrenaline of a new bike, but I just felt that I didn't have to worry about gearing any more, and that was a good feeling.

I would like the feeling of not worrying about my gearing. I'm averaging about 250W and between my double ring front and the 12-25, I'm just not strong enough to keep cadence up on some of the hills I ride out up here. Cadence drops to like 60rpm, and power down to 200, and its just working me at that. I've got a 12-27 ordered. Hopefully that'll do it. I guess the next step is a compact crank. Another $200 or so won't kill me, but when will it end??? Haha.

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Riverbrady posted 1 year ago.

I used to have the same issue. First I put a 12-27 on back. A couple weeks ago I ended up putting a compact on the front, and it's made a world of difference. I do notice that I spin out my top gears, but figure if I'm cruising that fast it's time to coast and save some energy.

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djrez4 posted 1 year ago.

UFTriGator;61905 wrote:
glbrum is right. Just to elaborate a bit, pushing a 50:11 at 90 rpm on a 700c bike is a bit over 33.5 mph. 100 rpm is almost 37.3 mph. Of course if you want to hammer down hills that fast, more power to you! The rush over 40mph is intense.

Try riding Colorado passes! My max speed on the display is stuck at 54.4 mph. My buddy also wants me to mention that he will vouch for the 58mph we hit coming down Wolf Creek pass.

Just to keep it on topic, over the summer when I was in top cycling form, I could pedal up to about 41 mph with a 50-12 setup. I don't know what my cadence was.

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gffcom posted 1 year ago.

A good rule of thumb with a compact is that you lose one gear at the top and gain two at the bottom. SRAM makes an 11-26 10 speed cassete which is a nice compromise for hills.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

So after this weekend I love my compact even more... 88ish miles and over 13,000 ft of climbing, and I didn't ever really worry about not having enough gears! I'm sold!

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Pete L. posted 1 year ago.

wow, 13,000 is intense. I thought my 4,000 in 40 was hard core. I'm getting one.

Kyliee, I saw which sizes you got, but what actual components did you get? I think I'm just going to go with an similar setup to PJT, but wanted to see what you got.

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Riverbrady posted 1 year ago.

If it helps, I also switched to a Ritchey Pro 172.5mm a bit back. Been loving life ever since.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

Mine are Truvativ Elita

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