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started by solidad on February 7, 2007

As I start to put on the serious miles and begin practicing nutrition for my first HIM in May, I was wondering what setup top people prefer?

First on hydration....
1. Aero bottle up front
2. Regular water bottles and cages on the frame
3. Bottles behind the seat.
4. A combination of any of the other 3.

My new bike came with an Arundel Carbon water bottle system, very aero but only holds 20oz. I need more liquids for 3+ hour rides and can’t decide whether to go with water upfront or behind my seat. Also, at races, do you replace at aide stations or bring all you can carry.

Fuel....
1. Stuff food, gel into the pockets of your tri shorts (if they have them) and/or singlet
2. Tape gel, etc to the top-tube
3. Bento Box
4. Some combination

Right now when I go on long rides, I'm in my cycling jersey. However, when I race, I won't have as many pockets....

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triNick posted 1 year ago.

Eveybody's setup will be different and it also might depend on the conditions during the race. My setup for both an 1/2 IM and IM race where. Aero-bottle up front with endurance gatorade and then one 1 bottle on fram with water. As for fuel, I had it in my tri-top and a bento box.

This varried a little bit while out on training ride depending on the route. If we weren't going to find a rest stop / gas station for a good distance, I would have an extra water bottle on my frame. The same went for nutrition. Try to pick routes where you can find a gas station along the way.

I only used the bento box on longer distance races, short races I had gel taped to the top tube.

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Airborne posted 1 year ago.

My 2 cents on hydration:

I use a behind-the-seat bottle holder (Xlab Flatwing), and definitely prefer that to the hideously ugly front-mounted systems. Yes, the front-mounted systems are slightly more convenient to use, but they tend to make your steering drift more, since you have extra weight up front. That's not a big deal when you're going straight & flat, but it would make no-hands riding more difficult, which can be important if you need to do on-the-bike clothing change, mess with gloves, zippers, food, etc. Plus, as already mentioned, they're just SO ugly. Why ruin a beautiful front-end with that ganky aerobottle? Yuck.

Rear-mounted systems become second-nature with practice, and can be accessed while in aero. But it is chiefly important that you get the right bottle cages to go with that system. The cheapie aluminum cages won't cut it, because they'll fatigue and launch the bottles. I'm using Arundel Trident cages at present, which were stupidly expensive, but have never launched a bottle in their 300-400 mile lifetimes. They grip bottles well, and won't fatigue since they're carbon.

Two bottles in the back plus one on the frame should be more than enough to get you between aid stations in any race.

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glbrum posted 1 year ago.

I use the aero bottle up front with one bottle on the down tube. Replaced a couple bottles on the course. I used a Bento Box for my last Half, but will forego that decision next time as my body didn't appreciate the solid food once i got deep into the run (fig newtons). I'll stick with gu in which I'll use a gel bottle attached to the top tube and maybe use powerbars or something similar, just not fig newtons.

There's no need to fill your bike up with 2lb bottles unless the course doesn't have aid stations or a product that your body can tolerate.

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

I believe in keep the bike as free of junk as possible.
Have used just about everything over the years and keep returning to two bottles on the frame.
For an IM I never have more than two bottles at a time...1 bottle weighs almost three pounds...
I think getting out of the aero position to reach for bottles and moving around helps prevent muscle fatigue.... And if you spend any time reading the slowtwitch.com info on the real cost of water bottles you'll see that even the best set-up saves you a few....seconds. Prefer to go with what's comfortable.
As to food... I use a tri jersey with three pockets ( our own Trifuel top right now!) and stuff em up...maybe a bento box and thats it.
For short races..tape some gels to the top tube with electrical tape.
I agree with airborne on the front bottle business.

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

glbrum...nice comment on the fig newtons!
Just read Bill Bryson's "The Life and Times of the Thunderbolt Kid" where he calls the fig newton..."possibly the worst cookie ever made."

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

I actually have successfully used fig newtons as fuel in a few adventure races, and maybe one IM (can't remember). Gotta be careful on the fiber intake, but with how my body works I just need to have food that I will crave and be able to easily eat while pedaling (I don't like to single-hand ride for long).

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RV posted 1 year ago.

I use the areo bottle up front. Never really considered the look as a deterrent. I know that for me I drink better with it. Meaning easy to take lots of quick sips - don't have to continually reach around for it.
On long training rides I will have 5 bottles on board.
However, for an IM or HIM 2 bottles. 1 water and 1 sports drink.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

For my Half IM I just used 2 frame mounted cages, one Endurance and one with water. My GU flask is in a bracket on my top tube. For IM, I have a Hydrotail rear mounted system (it's what Normann had in Kona) with 2 cages. I disagree that cheap aluminum cages are bad. They actually work better with the water and Gatorade bottles you will be handed on the course as you can bend the frames to clinch tighter. Carbon cages are fine for standard water bottles, but that's NOT what will be given to you at an aid station. For training long I also have a Chrono aero bottle on my seat tube. Front mounted systems just make zero sense to me. I see no great advantage and nothing but hassle.

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bluebirdbiker posted 1 year ago.

Aero bottle on tribars w water, one bottle down tube, get the gatorade from the course. There's plenty. I start eating when I get on the bike (cookies, bananas, pwr bars....and eat and eat....

Chips (salt and vinegar) and a ham sub (the fixins) with coke in an IM at special needs. Other than that I eat bananas, pwr bars and gatorade with some gastrolyte sol'n in a bottle Na and K in that (lots). Works for me

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runpuddrun posted 1 year ago.

During long rides 2.5 and up I use a aerodrink up front, a frame bottle, and a home-made hydrotail that holds two bottles, and has holes drilled out to screw in my co2 carts, and co2 microflate.

For my HIM i just use a aerodrink and frame bottle w/ my co2 and tubes on the hydrotail thingy I made.

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OzTriGuy posted 1 year ago.

I'm in the continual process of trialing bottle setups. the current one is the profile aero bottle up front and 1-2 frame mounted bottles. I don't care about the look of it, I'm there to race. The slow twitch guys have an article that suggests the up front bottles are more aero and I like the idea of having it there. The profile bottle works for Norman an Macca, good enough for me!

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glbrum posted 1 year ago.

kyillee;61756 wrote:
I actually have successfully used fig newtons as fuel in a few adventure races, and maybe one IM (can't remember). Gotta be careful on the fiber intake, but with how my body works I just need to have food that I will crave and be able to easily eat while pedaling (I don't like to single-hand ride for long).

I would say that he fig's gae me adequate nutrition in training, but during the race it was tough to keep going to them. I needed something easier to deal with. Some like a gel bottle would have been a lot easier to deal with and the aspect of NOT chewing sounds pretty good.

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runpuddrun posted 1 year ago.

i have heard of people using twizzlers, even some pro i was reading about.

During my HIM I had a tricocktail that I had trained all spring and summer with but couldn't drink it during the race. I am going to experiment with twizzlers and some candy bars and stuff.

Not a big gel user but think i might try the gel flask thing also.

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Homebrewermike posted 1 year ago.

I tried a bunch of different products last year. What I found works best for me are the Hammer products. For a HIM I use a profile aero bottle on my bars. I fill it with water only from the aid stations. In a large (20 oz) insulated water bottle on my seat tube I mix enough Hammer Sustained Energy and Endurolytes to last 3 hours. A big gulp of this thick mixture every 20 minutes equals about 300-400 calories per hour depending on the consistency. Also by only using water in your bottle on your bars it keeps your bike from getting all gunked up with sugary, sticky liquids.

For longer training rides I'll put a second insulated water bottle behind my seat. In it I'll put Hammer Sustained Energy and Endurolytes in powder form. I'll also put a second bottle of water behind my seat. You'll have to stop about every 2 hours for water but the nutrition in these two bottles will last 6 hours.

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Jstyle posted 1 year ago.

I used to have the aero drink system and I honestly couldn't stand it. It just annoyed me to know end on the rides. Right now I have two rear mounted bottles that I fill with Gatorade Endurance and one frame mounted cage that is filled with tubes and CO2.