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started by Donna on January 31, 2007

I'm hoping that some people could help me explain to my cycling friend why triathletes don't race as much as cyclists. We have just formed a tri team which is an off shoot of a Cat 1/2/pro cycling team. We are negotiating a contract and two of us triathletes (out of four) are doing IMs this summer. We have tried to explain why we cannot race as much as others (BTW: we are both working with a coach who only has us doing races on recovery weeks approx once a month). My cyclist friend who is the team coordinator believes that we should be able to do local 5 and 10Ks as training runs throughout our training schedules. Does anyone have any articles or things I can point him to that show that racing a lot is not condusive (sp?) to racing injury free and well at IMs?
Thank you very much for your help (it will help me greatly!)

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Triguy98 posted 2 years ago.

As long as the 10ks are not a weekly occurance, they should fit into an IM plan just fine. You need to work on running strength and speed in addition to the long stuff...
I'll go looking for more. I had everything bookmarked before my pc crashed a while back, and havent dug everything back up yet.

Joe Friel's Ironman plans have 6 races shorter than IMs built in- most Oly distance Dus.

This "marathon + cross training " plan has some fast paced stuff every week.
http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,ssssss6-238-244--8257-6-1X2X3X4X5X6-7,00.html

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cayman posted 2 years ago.

I enter quite a few races, but not all of them are run as races. I try to work them into my training schedule as tempo runs, zone 1-2 runs or even some zone 2-3 runs.

For me, it's more just getting together with other like minded people on a Saturday or Sunday morning to have a good time, swap some war stories and have a free banana and bagel afterwards.

There are a few that I do treat as races, but they're more to guage where I am in training for an up coming event. Still, I wouldn't risk crippling myself trying to beat someone else to the finish line.

Races also keep you in touch with that competitive edge that you can often lose just logging in training miles. Forget the word race, think event and have some fun.

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TriOnLife posted 2 years ago.

Donna;61188 wrote:
I'm hoping that some people could help me explain to my cycling friend why triathletes don't race as much as cyclists.
Thank you very much for your help (it will help me greatly!)

I would just say "if my coach says it's okay I'll be there - otherwise, no"

It's your plan, your body, your IM - no need to justify.

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Donna posted 2 years ago.

I should say that leading up to the IM I have a half mary, a 5K, a duathlon, a sprint, and a HIM. I'm not just taking it easy. I just don't think that adding in more 5ks and 10ks would benefit me.
I agree with you TriOnLife: it is my plan, body, and IM and ultimately, I will stick to my guns (and my coach's) but the pressure is on to show why.....

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JRH posted 2 years ago.

what do they expect of you? to win/place at each of these events? it is very difficult to rock the short and long course at them same time. if they just want you to show up and you treat some of them as "C" or "D" races then maybe but can't see how you can be expected to do well in all these different length events. as noted above check w/ friel's training bible think you can only expect one or two peaks a season.

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RV posted 2 years ago.

I've actually cut back on the number of races this year - it is tough working in short-course races into an IM training plan. Especially if it isn't a recovery week. Since the other weekends have long bike and/or runs scheduled. And you don't want to short those.
Sounds like you have a good schedule laid out. You are training 3 disciplines not just one so stay with your plan and your coach's recommendations.

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kona_expat posted 2 years ago.

Training for triathlon is very different than training for pure cycling, or any other single sport, for that matter.

When you train a single sport, it's much easier to 'race yourself into shape,' which is at some level what pure cyclists do. You can even do this running or swimming to an extent.

Pure cyclists are not training for 112-mile time trials, although they may still do long rides of 3 hours every week.

I would do more open running races if they weren't always on a Sunday when it's more important for me to ride long than it is to run a 5K-10K. Moving around your usual schedule can wreak havoc on your recovery, and most of us working stiffs can't fit in 3+ hour rides on weekdays, so that's the real reason a lot of us triathletes don't race so much, IMO.

Especially during the last 12 weeks of an Ironman build, your #1 priority is to keep at the long rides and long runs. If you are able to move those key workouts around in such a way that you can sneak in a short race on the weekend, no harm done.

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velospeed posted 2 years ago.

me thinks your cyclist friend was probably asking you to participate at local races, not race local races.

everyone here made some very good points but cayman hit the nail on the head:
Forget the word race, think event and have some fun.

in asking you to hit some local 5k races (like monthly thursday night races w/ 800+ people,) your cyclist friend probably figured if you're gonna' be running that evening anyhow, why not run at some event w/ lots of people, music and beer?

example:
let's say your training program calls for 5 miles in zone 2 on june 28th. maybe your zone 2 translates to an 8:00 pace... so you'd run for 40 minutes, right? hey, look at this, the reggae rumble is a 4.2 mile race on 6/28 and it's right up the street! so you could warm up for 7 minutes and 24 seconds + run the event at an 8:00 pace (33:46) = 40 minutes!

so maybe your cyclist friend, who is probably more concerned w/ exposure and less with results, would rather see you run those 40 minutes at the reggae rumble instead of around jamaica pond?

ya mon!

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AdventureBear posted 2 years ago.

Donna;61188 wrote:
I'm hoping that some people could help me explain to my cycling friend why triathletes don't race as much as cyclists. We have just formed a tri team which is an off shoot of a Cat 1/2/pro cycling team. We are negotiating a contract and two of us triathletes (out of four) are doing IMs this summer. We have tried to explain why we cannot race as much as others (BTW: we are both working with a coach who only has us doing races on recovery weeks approx once a month). My cyclist friend who is the team coordinator believes that we should be able to do local 5 and 10Ks as training runs throughout our training schedules. Does anyone have any articles or things I can point him to that show that racing a lot is not condusive (sp?) to racing injury free and well at IMs?
Thank you very much for your help (it will help me greatly!)

WHy is the pressure on? Is the deal off if you don't do the 5 & 10ks? If you've got a coach, put the pressure back on him/her if the sponsorship is important to you.

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Donna posted 2 years ago.

The pressure is on because one of the sponsors wants more races-more races, more exposure. I think that this particular sponsor is more familar with cycling and less with triathlons. The sponsorship is important but maybe out of my own selfishness, my performance is more important. My coach is not invested in my sponsor's interests-he's interested in me doing well: that's what I pay him for. I trust him (and his own career as an elite triathlete). Thanks for your responses. Although I still would love more comments and articles...

PS Boston Runner: he's actually my cyclist friend masquarading! :)

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AdventureBear posted 2 years ago.

explain to them that your coach has you following a periodized training plan to allow you to peak for your main event, an ironman. 5 & 10k's are basically 20-60 minute lactate threshold workouts, with the added emotional stress of lining up to race. If your plan calls for a 20-60 minute lactate threshold run in the week of a local 5 or 10k, it shouldn't be a problem, but my guess is that the majority of your Ironman trianing plan is LSD runs.

They may not understand the concept, but as long as you are convinced that your coach's plan is appropriate and understand why, it doesn't matter if they get it or not. Stand up for yourself and just let them know that you won't sabatage your goals.

Root around on Gordo's site for lots of Ironman specific stuff if you want more articles. As far as hard "evidence", you're not going to find any, just the collective experience of hundreds & thousands of athletes who have trained for & completed ironman's.

A cyclist who competes in Tuesday night criteriums & races in Saturday criteriums is training as they race. Even still, there is a time in a periodized plan when teh local crit races should be scrapped in favor of following the appropriate training stresses.

Good luck.

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