The Paleolithic Diet
No. This is a good start to chronic glycogen depletion if you intend to train while on this diet. People think that because cavemen ate meat and berries, we should too. They forget that cavemen died at the age of 35. The base of the food pyramid is carbs/starches because this is the most effective source of energy available. You'll feel weaker and more lethargic because your body will be eating itself if you try to train without being topped off in your glycogen stores.
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-Matt
Not fast enough.
I've read a fair bit about it and I think the principle is sound for general eating. However, we can probably say with certainty that paleolithic man did not attempt the Ironman. Most animals conserve energy, only bursting forth in the pursuit of prey or to flee from predators. They might travel long distance like migrations, but at a reasonable pace - they don't run, in other words, they amble or walk or browse their way along. Chimpanzees don't take off running for 26.2 miles for no good reason :rolleyes:
Last year my kids and I went on a trip to a local cave that was used by our ancestors from 10,000 years ago on (lots of cool cave paintings). The guy who led the hike was an expert on our paleo ancestors and he said they ate "paleo power bars" - take a bunch of acorns and camas bulbs, cook them and pound them. Add berries and some squashed grasshoppers and there you have it. Put 'em in ziplocks for your bike pocket :)
Mostly, I try to eat a modified Paleo diet. I eat fish, meat, eggs, fruits, and veggies for my main meals. If I'm going to work out, or just back from a workout, I eat complex carbs in the form of whole and sprouted grains, etc. I avoid potatoes and in general don't eat a lot of beans. In the middle of long workouts, I use energy bars like Cliffbars because the concept of trying to make raw berry bars, pemmican, or paleo power bars is just not that appealing to me. I think in general, eating as closely as possible to the diet that humans evolved on makes sense. But I refuse to give up my triathlon training to a dietary principle, so compromises are in order.
Blue Skies, -Robin-
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Sweet potatoes are very good and good for the hungry triathlete, Ironmom! Beans are yummy, too, high in protien and fiber :)
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Bryan
Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
There is a great book out there called The Paleo Diet for Athletes which motifies the paleo diet and discusses when each type of food should be eaten. I haven't made it all the way through it (or even very far into it) but it seems to have some good information. I have a number of friends who used this concept for tri training, and believe a number of well-known pros out there follow it as well.
I believe there was a thread or two about this topic around this time last year, so you might want to try a search on here as well for more info.
I've read the" Paleo Diet for Athletes." Lots of good info..
But really I think it's funny...If we ate like our ancestors we would eat whatever came our way,till the food was gone...then starve for a few weeks till something else came along... and if you ran into one of our ancient ancestors,Homo Erectus ,which was the "velociraptor of its day." You would be "prey." (Bryson 449-450)
Yuck!
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Sweet potatoes are very good and good for the hungry triathlete, Ironmom! Beans are yummy, too, high in protien and fiber :)
Oh yeah, I love sweet potatoes. Just not the regular kind. We make sweet potato chips in the oven, yummm!
Beans, well, I tolerate them, they're just not my favorite food. Maybe too many years as a vegetarian, always combining beans and rice, beans and corn for protein...
I do make a mean Bean Stew with 4 kinds of beans plus ground beef, bacon, onions, and a little bit of brown sugar and black pepper. Come to think of it, I ought to make some for dinner tonight. Goes great with cornbread (though that's not too paleo of me is it?)
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the cornbread is fine as long as you workout soon before eating ;)
It's possible to be a vegan triathlete, as long as you are getting enough nutrients and calories from protein, fat and carbs.
It's possible to be vegan and eat like crap. Also possible to be omnivorous and eat like crap.
If you stick primarily to food that has had the least amount of processing, and you eat a varied diet with treats in moderation, all while meeting your calorie/nutrient needs, you are doing fine.
Eating well is about making the most healthful choices the most frequently. Are Cheetos, Pringles, beer, Code Red and Gummi Bears really good for me? No. But as long as I don't make a habit of them (oops--the beer thing not so much), no worries.
My rule of thumb is that about 2,000-2,500 calories per day (my BMR is about 2,000) needs to be clean food--unprocessed fruits and veggies, rice, lean protein--and over that I add my sports nutrition (if you are what you eat then I am made of Gatorade), and snacks. When my daily calorie needs go over 3,500, it becomes tough to refuel solely with clean foods because of the bulk. So that's when you will see (gasp!) Cheetos, Pringles and such in my house.
Even some sports nutrition books will tell you that there are times when your calorie needs are so high in a given day that you may need to eat candy and stuff just to replace calories. Days when I ride 5+ hours are like that. I eat, get full, but I know I need more calories, so I go for the small, calorically dense stuff. BAD stuff. But it's so GOOD!
Firstly, UFTriGator, I agree that it a sure fire way to deplete glycogen stores. One day of not eating carbs and Im drained, recovery takes me days and Im ratty. SO, I definately do not subscribe to the paleo diet.
Secondly, I also agree with IronMom, that cavemen did not go doing Iron Man triathlons or marathons.
I can believe that the Soya bean is bad for hormone levels in large quantities but I am not going to cut it from my diet when the amount I have is maybe 300ml a day - on my weetbix. I doubt that that is the reason for my amenorrhea.
I prefer going by food combinations than anything. For instance, dont mix nuts and bananas or fruit and bread.
Thanks for the responses all.
I think wholegrain breads have there place in an athletes diet.
chavi
"Commitment means struggle, it means effort and always sacrifice".
There's another book called Neanderthin, basically the same concept, anything you can find in the woods, meat and fruit. My book, The CroMagnon Clydesdale Diet is due out next week.






In another thread we have been discussing the Vegan diet.
This interested me as I was once vegan but re-introduced meats, eggs and fish into my diet as I was not menstruating and feeling very weak and lethargic. This has been the ongoing problem for me and Im sure for many others throughout their training.
Upon speaking to a friend about it, he suggested reading up on the Paleolithic diet and sent me through a magazine and some links. I have provided the links below and would encourage people to read some and to express an informed opinion. The article was from a magazine called Performance Menu, however, it is quite a large file so I can not upload it. They have a website.
The gist of it is this; grains and beans = bad and veges, fruit, meat and fish = good.
Could this be the answer to my health problem?
Ill leave it at that and see what others have to say.
chavi
WEBSITE:
http://www.paleodiet.com/ (the introduction on the top of the list is a brief but to the point article).
"Commitment means struggle, it means effort and always sacrifice".