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Ok I know this is early but I am really nervous about IM AZ. It will be my first IM and I don't know what to expect. I always tell people that the marathon is so much more difficult then just a half marathon twice so while I have completed a HIM I don't know what to expect. So onto my question...

I have been training with Carb Boom with a lot of success and I plan on having one getting out of the water in T1, one every hour on the bike. One in the T2 and one every 45 min on the run. Does that sound like a plan?

As far as fluid goes I train exclusively with Gatorade Endurance and it has worked well for me. Since this is what is offered in all NA IM event's I will be cool. I should bring empty water bottles right?

I also plan on having two snickers marathon bars (since I am sponsored by them and I have been using them for the past 2 years) before the race. Should I have any in the middle of the race?

So my list looks like this:

  1. 2 maybe more snickers marathon bars (depending on if you guys say I should eat in the middle of the race)
  2. 10 energy packs
  3. A few empty waterbottles and one gatorade endurance 34oz to drink from when I wake up to when I race.

So what am I missing I hear every one talk about doing salt or sodium what's the deal? Is there anything else I should bring. I need to know soon so I can train with it, to see if it works first.

Thanks sorry for the lengthy post.

J

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watrbg2 posted 1 year ago.

This link to Coach Gordo thoughts on IM nutrition helped me at IMWI.
http://www.coachgordo.com/gtips/nutrition_body_composition/ironman_nutrition.html

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

Hopefully Jstyle with some good long training days you will KNOW what works for you on race day. Even with lots of practice and having a good handle on your race day nutrition...be flexible. If you find yourself needing to eat more...eat more. If you feel bloated..go with less.
As to electrolytes (salt) I find that if I'm using GA Endurance I don't have to supplement with Succeed! or e-caps....I always keep a few Succeed! caps in my race day bag of tricks in case I feel the need to switch to water and want to keep up with my salt intake. I always take a few about 1/2 hour before race time.
I like the Gordo article too...but really...find what works for you.

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Jstyle posted 1 year ago.

I will try to pick up some e-caps in the next few days just to give it a try...

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brittda posted 1 year ago.

when I was doing my IM training , I had a few "dry runs" where I swam for an hour (knowing it would take me approximately that long) and then did a 115 mile ride followed by a 40 min brick. Doing this helped as I knew exactly what to eat. You should be focused on nutrition on the bike so that you are ready to go on the run. They will hand you off bottles of gatorade, so if you are using what they provide you shouldnt need empties (unless things are different at the different races).

Like Anton said--find what works best for you.

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Ironmom posted 1 year ago.

Jstyle;60500 wrote:

I have been training with Carb Boom with a lot of success and I plan on having one getting out of the water in T1, one every hour on the bike. One in the T2 and one every 45 min on the run. Does that sound like a plan?

I guess it depends on how many calories you can take in via the Gatorade. I think most plans have you shoot for 500 calories an hour, if I remember right. Personally, I can't drink too much because I don't sweat much, so I get overfilled on fluids. So I did a Cliffshot every 20 minutes, and then once every 2 hours I did a Cliffbar. I don't like not having solid food on the bike.

If you can figure out about how many calories of Gatorade you're taking in, that should give you an idea for how much you have to add in CarbBooms or bars to make up the difference.

I would also experiment with your long ride days. I found that once I went over 5 hours on the bike or swim/bike or bike/run combination, my stomach started doing weird things and I had to adjust my nutrition. I never ran into that issue in the HIMs, because they just don't last that long.

As far as sodium, I never used it. But again, I don't sweat much. I think how much you sweat, how much salt you lose, what the temperature is on race day and humidity has a lot to do with whether or not you'll need sodium tablets. Practicing with them can't hurt though. I did find that the chicken broth on the run really went down well, and I think it's the salt in it that is so appealing. I did practice on my long brick days with drinking chicken broth to see if I could stomach it.

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PJT posted 1 year ago.

Just making sure--you are planning to drink water with your food & gels, right?

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brittda posted 1 year ago.

PJT;60527 wrote:
Just making sure--you are planning to drink water with your food & gels, right?

Oh see I take gatorade (well usually Accelerade) with my gels and not water---does not seem to bother me.

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brittda;60534 wrote:
Oh see I take gatorade (well usually Accelerade) with my gels and not water---does not seem to bother me.

I'd always been told that sports drink with gels was a no-no--that it would interfere with digestion over time. But I'll admit I've never tried it.

On britt's other point--I agree that some dry runs are key. If you can figure out how to avoid that bloated sloshy stomach on the run, you'll be in a MUCH better place on race day than many of us.

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brittda posted 1 year ago.

PJT;60536 wrote:
I'd always been told that sports drink with gels was a no-no--that it would interfere with digestion over time. But I'll admit I've never tried it.

On britt's other point--I agree that some dry runs are key. If you can figure out how to avoid that bloated sloshy stomach on the run, you'll be in a MUCH better place on race day than many of us.

Think its because I am too lazy to worry about carrying water too esp on the run where if I have to refill its from an icky drinking fawcet and the water does not taste good (if I top off gatorade though it tastes better ) It may not be the best, but I guess I dont know any different. Perhaps I will give water a try.

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kona_expat posted 1 year ago.

JStyle--no it is NOT too early to be thinking about this! Ironman nutrition is extremely important, as it can be the deciding factor between a positive, well-executed race and a disaster. Which is why nutrition is commonly referred to as the 4th discipline (swim, bike, run, nutrition).

Pardon my French, Ironmom, but 500 calories per hour on the bike? What dereanged training plan said that?

Read this: http://crackheadfe.blogspot.com/2006_11_05_archive.html#116317169315392215

Guidelines for calorie intake during biking is 200-350 calories per hour (unless you are a huge guy).

Guidelines for calorie intake while running are about 30% of total calorie burned per hour.

Those guidelines need to be tailored to YOU, and then you also need to ensure you achieve your hydration targets.

Nobody ever can replace ALL the calories and ALL the fluids they are utilizing. The key is to keep up the best you can in order to maintain your pacing.

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

My Mantra: Find what works for you.
http://www.trifuel.com/triathlon/nutrition/the-secret-to-caloric-intake-and-sustained-energy-during-long-workouts-and-races-000515.php
That article, from this site,calls for 400 per hour. And of course you can get really picky and say things like "The American College of Sports Medicine recommends 60-70 grams of Carbohydrtae per hour on the the bike." Which is fine ...but it may not work for you.
Kona alludes to it...there are no hard and fast rules in this sport.
It may take time...But find what works for you.

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

I think your current plan is very sound and is similar to what I am looking to do. I train with GU's, Cliff Bars, and Gatorade Endurance. What I find is that any ride under 3 hours, I can get by with 2 GU's (always try and take GU's or any gel with water NOT Gatorade, they are designed to dilute with water in your stomach, so make sure there 's a bottle of water on your bike for that.), one water bottle and one Gatorade Endurance bottle. Anything over that and I need some solid food and I like Cliff Bars. For IMAZ, my bike will have 1 water, 1 Endurance (both to be replaced at aid stations) a GU flask that hold about 5-6 GU's diluted with a little water to keep the viscosity down, and 2 Cliff Bars. If I feel the need for more food, I'll grab a bar at an aid staion. That's it for me, I really want to keep it simple and keep crap off my bike.
For the run, I am train a fluids and gels', no solid food. For me, there just isn't enough time to eat a bar and then get any value out of it. It takes a while for those calories to get to your engine. I just plan on grabbing a second gel flask and hitting the aid stations for water and Edurance.
Just keep training the way you plan on racing and your body will learn to look for calories in that specific way.

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

A word of caution that has nothing to do with what you swallow.
IM feed and water zones can be dangerous places...I have seen more than my share of crashes caused by people being inattentive as the grap bottles or food and swerve all over the place. If you have never experienced that kind of bedlam before...be wary.
The stations are always stocked so Reds idea of going light on the bike is the way to go...No need for more than two bottles and some food. Some folks like to add in some comfort food to their special needs bags...if you are going to take the time to stop for them.

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Ironmom posted 1 year ago.

kona_expat;60549 wrote:
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Pardon my French, Ironmom, but 500 calories per hour on the bike? What dereanged training plan said that?

I'm guessing it was in the book Be IronFit, because that's the only plan I ever read. I'm guessing I took in close to that, with 3 gels an hour (300 cals) plus drink mix. I felt that I had a really excellent time with nutrition, so it obviously didn't bother my body at all to take in that amount of calories. I'm actually kind of grateful that I did. With my dislocated toe, I was taking a lot of ibuprofen, which eventually totally wrecked my stomach and I wasn't able to take in anything on the run except chicken broth. Despite the injury slowing me down, I didn't feel depleted on the run at all. I felt very strong through the whole race.

I think different things work for different people. I've seen people recommend only doing fluids and gels. That doesn't work for me, I feel too sloshy. I saw a woman on the bike with a baker's tube of KFC mashed potatoes taped to her frame. Hey, whatever works! I get insanely hungry when I bike, so if my body could take in 500 calories an hour, I felt much the better for it. I hardly ever get hungry when I run, so it was fine for me to not eat anything on the run. I'm sure different folks would feel totally differently, which is why experimenting with nutrition on the loooooong brick days is a good idea. I had to totally change my nutrition plan once I went over a 5-hour combined workout, so I'm glad I took the time to experiment.

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Ironmom posted 1 year ago.

Anton;60568 wrote:
A word of caution that has nothing to do with what you swallow.
IM feed and water zones can be dangerous places...I have seen more than my share of crashes caused by people being inattentive as the grap bottles or food and swerve all over the place. If you have never experienced that kind of bedlam before...be wary.
The stations are always stocked so Reds idea of going light on the bike is the way to go...No need for more than two bottles and some food. Some folks like to add in some comfort food to their special needs bags...if you are going to take the time to stop for them.

I think whether or not you want to stop at aid stations also depends on your personal nutrition plan. I have a touchy stomach and could only find one drink that worked for me, so I ended up with a Neverreach system that I only had to refill once, and a water bottle on my front. I only stopped once for water on the bike and avoided all of that bedlam. I had a Bento box on my frame for gels, and a couple in my back pocket. Again, I need to use the brand that my stomach is used to. Different kinds of sugars in different brands can really set me off. I had a couple of bad races until I figured this out. So again, whatever works. If you can go with Gatorade or whatever is being served on the course, you can pack a lot lighter on the bike. If not, it still works too.

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

Stop at an aid station? Never! I'm talking about bottle hand ups. That is where the problem can be.
Someone tosses a bottle,reaches out for a new one gets it ok but while they are pouring it,or stuffing it or racking it they drift one way or the other nailing a vol or another rider or a dropped bottle and down they go...race over.
anyway,my point was..."Lets be careful out there."

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

The flying grab at aid stations can be a delicate art, but one worth mastering. I think most folks can acclimate themselves to fuel with a wide variety of options, but obviously making an effort to make yourself Gatorade Enurance tolerable is well worth it if you can. Same goes with gels, though they aren't as brand dependent as they are fairly similar in composition to each other. Keep working the Gatorade and Carb-Boom's, just make sure you drink at least 6 ounces of water with each gel serving.

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solidad posted 1 year ago.

Just wanted to say, this has been a really informative thread. I am only doing my first HIM, but looking to have a prettyn good finish -- right at 5 hours is my target. Don't want to derail the IM conversation, but quick question is how critical is HIM nutrition? I do plan on practicing, but should one stick to IM level fueling, just for a shorter period of time? Like Ironmon, my stomach is picky and I do like more solids on the bike and really don't get hungry on the runs...

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Jstyle posted 1 year ago.

I have always chased gel with gatorade then again I have had mixed results so I dunno. I might try the water thing on my next long ride.

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Jstyle posted 1 year ago.

Thanks for all of the input everyone :)