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started by lloydte on January 17, 2007

Was wondering if anyone had any information regarding athletes and the onset of Type 2 diabetes.

Now we all appreciate that exercise and healthy diet ward off DM, but, I have heard that people who are continually eating 5, 6 meals a day, consuming glucose rich supplements for hours on end on the bike and the run, produce and maintain high levels of insulin through out the day.

So essentially my question is, can the body build up an insulin resistance in the same manner in which it does in Type 2 DM?

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Star posted 1 year ago.

Interestingly enough, I was just looking through my Hammer Nutrition magazine, and they have a team of 8 who finished the 2006 RAAM. Hammer wirtes: "Hammer fuels are diabetic friendly: Because they lack the excess simple sugars found in most energy drinks, bars and gels, Hammer fuels are very well tolerated by diabetic athletes. This has led to the Diabetes and Wellness Foundation to give us their seal of approval."

What this says to me is that other products may very well have refined sugars that lead to blood-sugar spikes and drops. I don't know about any long-term studies of the effects of sports nutrition on insulin resistence. This is some other info I found about adult-onset diabetes:

For reasons we do not yet fully understand, the cells of the body partially shut down their insulin recognition systems. Although plenty of insulin is onboard, it is not allowed to function as insulin is supposed to function. The function of insulin is to open the cellular gates to the absorption of glucose. When this is not happening, the blood level of glucose builds up which causes the pancreas to overproduce insulin in an effort to bring down the blood level of glucose. This results in the overproduction of insulin. This excess insulin then acts as a toxin for the rest of the body.

The complex of symptoms above was first delineated in 1988 and named "Syndrome X," meaning that it was not understood. We now understand that it is caused by the effects of too much insulin on the biochemistry of the body. Syndrome X is the clinical manifestation of AOD.

The appearance of Syndrome X greatly accelerated with the introduction of aspartame, also known by the brand name Nutrasweet. The average American consumes 148 pounds of artificial sweetener each year, most of it aspartame. By the way, the metabolism of aspartame includes the production of methyl alcohol (methanol), a dangerous liver toxin. But, never fear, the FDA tells us it is perfectly safe. I would love to see the money trail on that one.

You are predisposed to develop Syndrome X (AOD) by:

Increased fat intake

Increased intake of "high glycemic" complex carbohydrates (breads, pastas, pastries—these are digested to simple sugars quickly, and simple carbs such as that found in candy and soda pop)

Decreased intake of "low glycemic" complex carbohydrates (these are digested to simple sugars slowly)

Decreased exercise

Deficiency of the following nutrients:

a. Magnesium
b. Chromium
c. Vanadium
d. Zinc
e. Trace minerals in general
f. Anti-oxidants

Deficiency of protein and an imbalance of carbohydrate to protein ratio (should be about 10:7 with the carbs being high glycemic complex carbs)

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dr_rios_ec posted 1 year ago.

Interesting coments, and question.
Now let me address this first.
YES! A person can develope periferal resistance to insulin, with the resultant of a wrong metabolism of glucose, and if not treated and or managed, might end up with AOD (adult onset diabetes)
Now, who is at risk?
The answer, overweight or obese patients, particulary with family history...nothing else and nothing more. Remember that the first line of treatment for a patient with AOD is diet, weight loss and excercise, before even thinking to start him or her on medication. Eating 5 or 6 times a day, healthy and balanced is the corner stone for the development of a weight managing diet, in other words that is the healthy way to go as far as eating during the day...not only for athletes, for everyone.
So I pretty much say that athletes, active people, with a healthy diet are far and away of getting this health problem.
Now, consuming gels and sport nutrients is a risk of developing problems in terms of glucose management. Well, so far evidence is inconclusive. Imagine then Lance Armstrong, this is a guy who uses so much gels and other sport nutrients...for example, he used 12 or 14 gels during his last marathon:eek: , and the guy as far as his glucose there are no reports of any problems(he has been doing this for years already). What I am trying to say is that because we use gels, bars, shots, blocks and so on, we are not particulary at higher risk for developing AOD that the rest of the population, in fact, in my opinion, we are at less risk.
Now there are plenty of info about diabetic athletes, who can actually benefit tremendously from excercise, even at pro level, with no problem, you can check this sites:
pubmed.com
medscape.com
nejm.com
There are very nice pieces of info, to read more about this topic, that for sure can eventually worry more than one.
Hope this helps a bit, and I would love to keep chatting about...
Best wishes

-Santiago
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chavi posted 1 year ago.

Although plenty of insulin is onboard, it is not allowed to function as insulin is supposed to function. The function of insulin is to open the cellular gates to the absorption of glucose. When this is not happening, the blood level of glucose builds up which causes the pancreas to overproduce insulin in an effort to bring down the blood level of glucose. This results in the overproduction of insulin. This excess insulin then acts as a toxin for the rest of the body.

The way I understand this is, that if you are using the high GI supplements (i.e. your working muscles on the bike are expending what you are putting in) , then there is no excess of insulin to act as a toxin. Thus, as long as you are using the energy you are okay.

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jess1 posted 1 year ago.

exercise increases insulin sensitivity as well

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JRH posted 1 year ago.

not that I'm aware of. I got it Type 2 Diabetes in mid 20's after a unhealthy period of my life. I was overweight and had a family history of diabetes. the common story I've always heard of adult onset of diabetes is overweight people w/ a family history never heard of active heathy people developing it. but would assume if you have a family history of diabetes you should be concerned.

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dr_rios_ec posted 1 year ago.

JRH;60232 wrote:
not that I'm aware of. I got it Type 2 Diabetes in mid 20's after a unhealthy period of my life. I was overweight and had a family history of diabetes. the common story I've always heard of adult onset of diabetes is overweight people w/ a family history never heard of active heathy people developing it. but would assume if you have a family history of diabetes you should be concerned.

That is exactly right...the reason adipose tissue is prone to develope resistance to insuline, so the more adipose tissue, higher the risk of resistance to insuline, and or AOD. I f you add to the equation family history...then the things are even worse.

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lloydte posted 1 year ago.

Thanks for the info guys..... thats cleared most things up for me now :)

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tri_newbie_nerd posted 1 year ago.

I'm no endocrinologist, however, from my study of huma physiology and biochemistry this is basically how it works:

Glucose cannot automatically enter a cell (unless it is a liver cell or a brain cell, but those are different story). In order to get glucose into a cell so it can be used for energy, insulin has to activate a recpetor on the outside of the cell and 'escort' glucose into the cell.

When a person has long-standing hyperglycemia (long-standing high blood sugar), the body begins to down-regulate the number of these receptors on the cell surface in order to prevent hte ceels from being inudates with too much glucose. This stage is what is happening when someone is "insulin-resistant"

However, too much sugar in the blood is a problem. When the glucose gets shut out of the cells, the pancreas gets the message that blood sugar is too high and more insulin is needed, so it steps up production. But then the person ends up with too much insulin that is ineffective at reducing blood sugar. Evenutally, the pancreas made give up making insulin entirely and the person may need insulin injections to get any glucose into the cells at all. This is why the terms "insulin-dependent" and "non-insulin dependent" are no longer used to describe Type I and Type II diabetest, because given a variety of factors, Type II diabetics can eventually end up needing insuling injections as well.

Now, if you are still reading after all that (bless you!) THE POINT IS the one time when insulin is NOT needed for glucose to be taken into the cells is DURING EXERCISE!!!! Because of the workload they are under, the cells take in glucose without the insulin escort. This is why exercise, along with diet, are the one of the most prescribed ways to control and prevent Type II diabetes (I'm not calling it AOD on purpose, because the forwing trend is for many kids, because of poor diet and lack of exercise to get this too!). In the diabetic, when exercising, blood sugar levels are being reduced despite the reduced number of insulin receptors. It is virtually a win-win.

So for these athletes who are sucking on carbohyradate gels all the time, as long as they are exercising and using the carbs they take in, they shouldn't be at any more risk then anyone else for developing Type II diabetes given constants of other predisposing factors like genetics, etc.

As a personal note, I like Clif bar prodcuts because they are organic and because they use brown rice syrup for the main source of carbs, which is lower glycemic index then the main ingredients in many other gels. And in another note. My father is a Type II diabetic- classic Syndrome X, obese, low activity level, cardiovascular disease, etc. With the new year he started running and walking. Since just the beginning of the year, he has lost 6 pounds and dropped his morning glucose readings from over 140 g/dL to 116 g/dL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ironmom posted 1 year ago.

This is an interesting question. I think I might ask a friend who is an endocrinologist the next time I see him what he thinks on the subject. From the reading I've done though, I think tri_newbie_nerd's explanation makes sense.

Anecdotally, my husband has several siblings with diabetes, but he has no symptoms whatsoever. He's the only athlete in the family, and he has used gels and carb drinks training for a marathon. I don't think it had any adverse affect on him at least.

Personally, I'm sensitive to blood sugar fluctuations, and can feel really nauseous after a sugar spike. I use Accelerade as my race drink of choice precisely because the protein in it seems to smooth out the sugar spikes and drops and I feel much more consistently good. I've used Gatorade in a pinch, but it leaves me feeling much worse.

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