HR Zones for Swim, Bike and Run
swim training by HR is not the best way to do it, IMHO. I've found that once you've got the endurance (which is when you'd do the 60-80% base building) the intervals are all pretty hard, but that's how you gain speed/strength, right?
Granted you already have good technique and a decent base, just go for it; mix it up, keep it interesting and have fun!
Yes indeed the intervals are all pretty hard when you are aiming for 45secs per lap. Well, for me that is pretty hard considering I am only 158cm and for us little ones we have to stretch even further.
However, today I did mix it up and decided to sleep in and swim a little later than the crazies at 5. I did a 900m warm up of 200 free and 100 pull x 3 sets. Then decided to crack into a 1km free for all (the distance of the tri I am aiming for).
It was awesome! Felt so good endurance wise and my legs and arms were working in unison. Felt like a real pro. Time wise - well, I did it in approximately 22 minutes. Which isnt too bad as I wasnt going hard out as I wanted to see how I would feel for race day.
I wasnt pooped and I still felt on the ball.
Anyway, thanks for your opinion glbrum. Its good to know others find the intervals hard too.
chav
"Commitment means struggle, it means effort and always sacrifice".
One thing I have on my mind - 60-80% of Max HR is to build a base and you'll do most of this endurance training on the bike and in the run. However, the swim (not that I use my HRM in the pool but rather RPE) I am always at an HR above this.
Interesting - I kind of have the opposite issue. My HR is surprisingly low when I swim intervals. I'll sometimes finish an interval and check my pulse, and find it to be barely over 120, even though I feel like I'm working pretty hard. Not sure what that means...but by contrast, when I'm running I'm always above 120, even at a very easy pace.
Everyone is going to be different in where their HR falls. I tend to be a little lower than most people I train with. For example, I'll usually hold 150-155 for long runs, while a friend of mine holds 165 at the same pace. However, if I run at 165, I can only hold it for maybe 6 or 8 miles and I'm done. In swimming intervals, though, I tend to hold anywhere from 160-190 depending on how hard the set is. Have you ever had a REALLY good coach look at your stroke? Swimming is by far the hardest discipline to learn good technique, and it is also the discipline where technique is most important. Perhaps having your stroke tweaked would let you open up a bit, raising your HR...and dropping times ;)
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-Matt
Not fast enough.
Dropping times would be nice.
Everyone is going to be different in where their HR falls. I tend to be a little lower than most people I train with. For example, I'll usually hold 150-155 for long runs, while a friend of mine holds 165 at the same pace. However, if I run at 165, I can only hold it for maybe 6 or 8 miles and I'm done. In swimming intervals, though, I tend to hold anywhere from 160-190 depending on how hard the set is. Have you ever had a REALLY good coach look at your stroke? Swimming is by far the hardest discipline to learn good technique, and it is also the discipline where technique is most important. Perhaps having your stroke tweaked would let you open up a bit, raising your HR...and dropping times ;)
Once, I asked the coach why I was so much slower with the pull buoy? Usually Im faster than the others in my lane but only when swimming normally. All he said was that some people have no problem keeping their bodies straight in the water but others sink with their legs.
That's about all the adivce Ive gotten. Otherwise, we do drills but I think my technique is okay. I pull a lot more with my right arm than my left which gives me a sore rotator cuff but I get a massage every 2 weeks to relieve it.
I think Ill start breathing on the other side for a few sessions. That would definately get my HR way up.
"Commitment means struggle, it means effort and always sacrifice".
I used to get pain in my right arm also and found it was a technique issue. Swimming to the left made me realy focus on stroke in order to be able to breath on my left. After doing that I noticed I was doing something weird when I was breathing to my right. Had to focus on fixing that and the pain stoped.
Just as a comment!
Hyperactive Trifueler!!!! (I refuse to let the status go :p)
In the same way that you can do a field test to find your lactate threshold pace for running and biking, you can do a field test to find the swimming pace that is appropriate for you. Since, as you say, you don't wear a HRM in the pool, you are training by pace anyway, so your actual HR is not any concern, other than as a curiousity.
For a 1km swim event, Gail Bernhardt recommends doing a Time trial test of 3x 300m/yd as fast as you can reasonably sustain for the 300 yards, with 30 seconds rest between sets. A good test is when the total times between the first and third sets are less than 15 seconds apart. That means that your effort was about the same across each session.
Average the times for the 3 sets and divide by 3, giving you your "T-pace" for 100 yards. This is analgous to your lactate threshold pace in running or biking. YOur workouts can now be designed around this pace to customize workouts for you. The intervals you are doing may not be appropriate for your T-pace, unless you want to work on sprint power, which I'm guessing you don't.
Just a few thoughts, hope it's helpful.
-Suzanne
Pittsburgh's First All-Women's Bike Racing Team
racing.steelcityendurance.com
In the same way that you can do a field test to find your lactate threshold pace for running and biking, you can do a field test to find the swimming pace that is appropriate for you. Since, as you say, you don't wear a HRM in the pool, you are training by pace anyway, so your actual HR is not any concern, other than as a curiousity.For a 1km swim event, Gail Bernhardt recommends doing a Time trial test of 3x 300m/yd as fast as you can reasonably sustain for the 300 yards, with 30 seconds rest between sets. A good test is when the total times between the first and third sets are less than 15 seconds apart. That means that your effort was about the same across each session.
Average the times for the 3 sets and divide by 3, giving you your "T-pace" for 100 yards. This is analgous to your lactate threshold pace in running or biking. YOur workouts can now be designed around this pace to customize workouts for you. The intervals you are doing may not be appropriate for your T-pace, unless you want to work on sprint power, which I'm guessing you don't.
Just a few thoughts, hope it's helpful.
-Suzanne
Hi Suzanne, Ill try this test when I do a swim on my own. Is there a recommended warm up?
I like swimming with a squad as the coach devises your workouts and it is one less thing I have to think about. In any sport, writing a training plan is hard and takes time.
In saying that, however, I can just swim slower than everyone else and not push myself as hard. It doesnt bother me to move to the end of the line.
Tikal Dog, the pain I get in my right arm I think is from over-use because I pull more with it than my left - the side I breath on.
I will ask the coach though and will be doing the time trial also. Would be okay to do it after my weights day? That probably wouldnt be too accurate though.
Thanks for the advice.
chav
"Commitment means struggle, it means effort and always sacrifice".
I don't think there is a specific warmup recommended, but probably 5-10 minutes of easy swimming to get stetched out and yoru muscles warmed up a little bit. There are other variations of this protocol as well, but they all result in giving you a time per 100 that's analagous to LT pace. Do sets at T-pace + 5 seconds to focus on general endurance, workouts at t-pace to develop muscular endurance (the ability to push at or near your threshold pace for a longer period fo time), and sets above your T-pace to work on anaerobic development and power.
Pittsburgh's First All-Women's Bike Racing Team
racing.steelcityendurance.com




I've just spent an hour reading all the posts related to HR zones.
One thing I have on my mind - 60-80% of Max HR is to build a base and you'll do most of this endurance training on the bike and in the run. However, the swim (not that I use my HRM in the pool but rather RPE) I am always at an HR above this.
Now, is this because when doing swim training (as I do it with a squad) it is mostly interval sets of anywhere between 50m (54yards) and 400m (437), rather than slow and long sessions of lap after lap after lap?????
"Commitment means struggle, it means effort and always sacrifice".