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Do carbon wheels make a difference?

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started by jerallen on December 29, 2006

I currently am riding the reynolds alta comp wheels and am contemplating getting some Zipps or some HEDs carbon fiber wheels. I've heard they will give a 30 second advantage on a 40k. I'm not a racing to win but am a tech junkie at heart. Whats your thoughts on benefits of carbon wheels vs. the cost?

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UFTriGator posted 1 year ago.

A good set of race wheels should be one of the first things you get after the bike itself. The most important aero advantages are (in order):

1) Body position
2) Wheels
3) Helmet
4) Frame

When I started using race wheels, I got more than a 30 second advantage. Riding a road bike with stock wheels, I'd do about 22 mph for an oly. After buying race wheels, it was more like 23 mph. Now with a real tri bike and helmet (and some more training...lol) it's more like 24 mph. Although there's still a ways to go to get fast, carbon wheels helped for sure. Just remember that the aero benefits of the wheels don't really exist unless you're staying above 20 mph. As you go faster, the benefit will increase exponentially.

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kylie posted 1 year ago.

I've actually heard that aerohelmets have more benefits than the aero wheels... I don't have a source on that one, but I think it was on here. (Oh great... and now I've started the thread to offtopic land).

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

They really do make a difference...
Sure they svae you 30 seconds in a 40k..which you can lose in T2.
Carbon wheels help absorb some road shock,accelerate faster and ..look cool.
I notice quite a change when I switch from my Ksyrium to my Bontrager XXX carbon deep dish.
There...back on topic

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rjkowski posted 1 year ago.

Here's an interesting article from Cervelo with some numbers:

http://www.cervelo.com/content.aspx?m=Engineering&i=Aerodynamics

Body position will give you the biggest bang for your buck (and it will only cost you the price of a good fitting!!).

You could be restarting the classic debate that will never be solved (and like Kyillee said, is a bit off-topic!). There are people that will make arguments that the money is better spent on a coach, and others that will make the argument that the money is better spent buying a power meter and learning to train with power.

My personal opinion (and you know what they say about opinions!) is that I have a hard time justifying spending $1000 to $2000 for a set of wheels that might only put a couple of hundred miles on in a year. My wheels are not my limiter when it comes to my cycling.

But if you've got the money to spend, go for it. If you've got a lot of money, buy yourself wheels, a power meter, and a good coach.

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glbrum posted 1 year ago.

I tend to get myself in to trouble when i enter these types of debates so I'll limit my troubles by saying this: If you've got the money burning a hole in your pocket, then go for it, they will help.

There, I'm finished with minimal harm done.;)

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jerallen posted 1 year ago.

thanks rjkowski, that article really puts things in perspective. My money will be going to a proper bike fit.

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christri25 posted 1 year ago.

a lot of it is mental ....

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tri-ac posted 1 year ago.

there's also the problem of whether you're capable of getting into an excellent position. folks with back or hip problems may never see the time savings shown on the cervelo info. maybe a rationale for purchasing aero equipment? (woohoo!)

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

I am always leery of stuff from product sites...they do have a vested interest in getting you to buy into the "More money=better chance of success" debate.
Look at a site like Slowtwitch..if you take the time and read all the info they have on what makes you aero...you end up looking at only a few (and I mean few) minutes improvement of time in an Ironman. Important for pros,but for us...train smarter and drop some weight.

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kona_expat posted 1 year ago.

My checklist, in order, of ways to get faster on a bike:
1. Improve body composition. Plus you get free running speed.
2. Good bike fit and knowing when it needs to change.
3. Improve flexibility to give you ability to achieve most aero position possible
4. Train better. Includes, but not limited to:
a) get a plan, a coach or both
b) ride more, if endurance is a limiter
c) ride faster
5. If you've got the money and are willing to invest time in meshing your goals with your training and racing results more precisely, THEN get a power meter. You don't get faster just by sticking one on your bike. If you don't get excited about data or you aren't willing to pay a coach big $$$ to analyze your power data, then a power meter is not for you.
6. Aero/lightweight gizmos--helmet, wheels, anything carbon.

But like glbrum said, if $$$ is burning a hole in your pocket, skip directly to #6, but remember those things will only make you faster SOME of the time, whereas 1-5 make you faster ALL of the time.

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glbrum posted 1 year ago.

kona_expat;59208 wrote:
My checklist, in order, of ways to get faster on a bike:
1. Improve body composition. Plus you get free running speed.
2. Good bike fit and knowing when it needs to change.
3. Improve flexibility to give you ability to achieve most aero position possible
4. Train better. Includes, but not limited to:
a) get a plan, a coach or both
b) ride more, if endurance is a limiter
c) ride faster
5. If you've got the money and are willing to invest time in meshing your goals with your training and racing results more precisely, THEN get a power meter. You don't get faster just by sticking one on your bike. If you don't get excited about data or you aren't willing to pay a coach big $$$ to analyze your power data, then a power meter is not for you.
6. Aero/lightweight gizmos--helmet, wheels, anything carbon.

But like glbrum said, if $$$ is burning a hole in your pocket, skip directly to #6, but remember those things will only make you faster SOME of the time, whereas 1-5 make you faster ALL of the time.

That's some sound words of wisdom right there. I couldn't agree more with that.