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started by alowrun on December 19, 2006

I've got a marathon in a little less than 3 weeks, and I've got a few nagging aches and pains I want to have gone by one week out. I run every other day, cross train on non-running days, and take one day off before my long run I intend to keep this until about the last 10 days, wherein I will begin taking more rest days.
I need to eradicate a stiff lower back, and a strong pain in my inner left groin area.
Stretching 3 x per day under physical therapist advisement.
To expedite healing, should I take complete rest days, like 3 or 4 in a row, to get rid of these pains, or can I cross train? I'm not sure which would heal me faster. Thanks!

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beads1985 posted 1 year ago.

Dude,

Since you have started posting you have been in some sort of pain. :eek:
You probably need to look at a few things.
Your training ,
Your recovery,
and your technique.

Maybe you need to back off more than you have and take a month off after Disney and re-evaluate yourself.

Nothing to it, but to do it

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Red5 posted 1 year ago.

Ice baths!

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glbrum posted 1 year ago.

I had a terrible lower back earlier this year from running. All of a sudden it got stiff and nothing helped for a good 3 weeks until I went to PT. Beyond the massage, ice and stem that they do, a few exercises really helped me out.

Get down on your hands and knees and (at the same time) extend your right arm and your left leg. extend the leg straight out and do the same with the arm. Make sure to suck in your stomach to activate your core. Do 5 with the left arm/right leg and then 5 with the right arm/left leg. Repeat 5 times in a row. It shouldn't hurt and it shouldn't be hard either.

The other exercise that worked well was at the gym. If you can get to a gym, it's a really good one. I think it's called the woodchopper or something like that. Go to the vertically adjustable cable machine and put it about head high. Use one of those single loop hand hold things for this, also. Then, stand so that you are facing forward with your arms extended sideways (right arm extended out and left arm across body. Grab the strap and pull at a downward angle to your left hip. Keep both arms extended at all times, don't bend at the waist stand up straight and again suck in your stomach to activate your core. Do 2-3 sets of 10. Then to get the other side of your back, just spin around so you are looking the other direction and grab the same strap/machine and go at it.

Most back pain is caused by a weak core, which is comprised of all of your abdominal muscles as well as a weak lower back.

Like Beads said, you have been chronically injured since you got on here and it might be best to reevaluate every aspect of your training so that you can get out of this pool of injuries.

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gfd posted 1 year ago.

I injured my lower back last year. The only thing that helps is complete rest. I have aggravated it twice since then and have learned my lesson. If I shut down I come back quicker and healthier. If I try to work through it by lowering the intensity of the workouts it just lingers.

Many aches and pains allow you to train through them, but a back injury is not one of them. One of the things I hope to never hear from my doctor is the word chronic when discussing any injury I might have, especially when I have had some control over the situation.

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alowrun posted 1 year ago.

Yea. Its really odd, because I was on here about 14 months ago, and never posted, just kind of observed. Didn't know alot about Tri's, so I figured I'd best listen.
When I changed from strictly distance to a season of XC, I became chronically injured.
I don't know if my diet is messed up (I am a strict vegetarian, but do drink milk and and such)
Will work on these exercises, in addition to my normal stretching stuff. Thanks again all!
P.S. How often do I take the ice baths Red5?

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UFTriGator posted 1 year ago.

Ice baths:

Every day after every run...I swear by these things. Fill a tub with cold water so that it will cover your legs when you sit in, then dump in a bag of ice. This will hurt for about a minute, then you'll go numb and it won't bother anymore. Stay in about fifteen minutes.

In addition, you should ice the injuries (ice packs!) a few times a day. Time off will help you heal for sure, but I don't know how much pain it is or what's causing it, so it might be something you can safely run through, too. I know that I hate taking time off, but I just came back from achilles tendonitis, and with only two weeks' rest and lots of ice, I'm fine and working my way back up to 50 miles/wk. However, I don't have any races coming up.

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tri-ac posted 1 year ago.

i find one 8# bag is not enough for a bathtub of water, more like 3 or 4 to get the water cold...

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yeed posted 1 year ago.

I think someone mentioned before in another post to try icing it, or even dipping yourself in an ice bath. Tell us if it works for you.

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alowrun posted 1 year ago.

Tonight, after my core workout, I alternated ice and heat, and I was REALLY sore driving home. But now Im feeling alot better. Not perfect. But this was one of those workouts that makes you believe Friel when he claims that training is when the body literally 'breaks down'. Will take tomorrow easy, and ice bath

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jmruns430 posted 1 year ago.

alowrun;58685 wrote:

Stretching 3 x per day under physical therapist advisement.
To expedite healing, should I take complete rest days, like 3 or 4 in a row, to get rid of these pains, or can I cross train?

Since you're seeing a PT, it sounds like he/she may be better informed and qualified to answer your question. Since you seem to have so many injuries, with so much pain, something bigger has got to be going on and you need to take a serious rest after your marathon and investigate your problems to their source (its easy to treat symptoms but they will always come back in some form or another until you fix the cause) with a PT or sports med doc.

As far as up until your marathon goes, continue an easy taper. You've put in the miles, now is the time to take it easy so your body can do the work in a few weeks. Stretch as you're supposed to, get in your light running and cross training so long as it doesn't hurt too much. Ice and advil after you work out and try again before you go to bed. There generally aren't shortcuts to easy healng, and those who try to take them will usually end up hurting worse in the long run, so keep that in mind.
Good luck with the taper and put faith in your body that it knows how to do the work and it'll ttake you there, you just got to treat it well right now.

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jmruns430 posted 1 year ago.

Oh and regarding your diet, if you're a vegetarian and are not getting enough protein (or any other nutrient, but protein is where you're likely to lack), then you will have problems recovering well from normal workout and it can cause you to have injury recovery problems as well. I've had this experience and can actually feel when I'm lacking in protein. Take a thorough look at your diet and try to count up all the stuff you're getting to see if you may be deficient.

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Riverbrady posted 1 year ago.

One thing that was always drilled into us in college by our chemistry prof, of all things, was that anyone who is a strict vegetarian is missing out on a few of the essential amino acids used for building that are only found in red meat or supplements.

Not remembering what they are off the top of my head, but I'll check when I'm home and try to get some more specific information...they are our basic building blocks, after all.

Being vegetarian, basically you just need to watch your protien input a bit more strictly than usual...making sure you're getting enough of the right type, or supplementing to make up for it as we put our bodies through a lot broader range of strain than many lifestyles.

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Riverbrady posted 1 year ago.

Just keep your clothes on when you hop in the bath...it makes a world of difference.

If you have one, or can pick one up, a cheap thermometer works wonders due to the range you need your bath to be. I've usually found if I'm sitting in a bathtub (icing to the upper legs, basically) I'll use just under two standard bags. I don't icebath to my neck unless I'm at a cold lake or have a icebath whirlpool like we have in the training room, as it takes too much ice/water/space and I can just ice massage the area.

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catwood posted 1 year ago.

Riverbrady;58749 wrote:
One thing that was always drilled into us in college by our chemistry prof, of all things, was that anyone who is a strict vegetarian is missing out on a few of the essential amino acids used for building that are only found in red meat or supplements.

Not remembering what they are off the top of my head, but I'll check when I'm home and try to get some more specific information...they are our basic building blocks, after all.

I believe the essential amino acid you're looking for is methionine. But it is found in milk, eggs, etc. I'm not positive on this, I took nutrition a few years ago, but I think soy is the only complete protein found in non-meat sources. But anyways, even if I'm wrong about that, just make sure you are getting enough protein. Its essential to repair muscles. You need 1.5g or so per kilo body weight, I believe. The research is all over the map for that number (1-2g / bw kg) and too much won't hurt you (or help you).

I second what people have been saying about the ice bath. Put a few inches of cold water in your tub and add a few bags of ice. The trainers at my high school always kept their ice bath between 50-55F if you are taking the temperature. 15-20 min in there after every run does wonders. Its freezing and uncomfortable, but it does a much more complete job of taking away soreness than ice packs do.

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

A la beads...
Dude! I know everyone is trying to be helpful...you know I have...so I'll try again.
Stop!
You have 16 days till the Marathon at Disney...Not three weeks.
Stop.
Stop cross training and focus on your run.
Run every other day... easy.
Run, maybe, ten this weekend...easy (two minutes slower than race pace.)
Cross training doesn't mean you aren't tearing yourself up. Stop.
Take more rest days...NOW!
This is my mantra:
"There is nothing I can do in the last three weeks to improve my fitness. There are a million things I can do to f*** it up."
You are ready now...Stop and heal...you might still make it through the race in one piece...providing you don't go hard.
And do what beads says...take a month OFF (No workouts) after Disney and get your head wraped around a smarter ,pain free, training regimen.
See ya there...I hope..

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alowrun posted 1 year ago.

Thanks all-
I am taking today entirely off, and visiting with family for the holidays.
Hell, I might take every day off until Sunday, do my 10-12 mile long run, see how it feels, and just keep resting until I feel strong. Even then, I know I'm not 100% (as the body tricks us into thinking its healed, when its just barely ready)
I've done this thing before, I did 21 last sunday, and a 20 4 weeks before that, I know I can handle it, but darn it, I want to be strong. And maybe being a little undertrained will make me stronger in the long run.
I've scheduled to have new orthotics cast after disney, as they are quite old. And Im buying new shoes tonight, as I have over 600 miles on them.
I only mention this, because it could largely be one of the "deeper" problems with my training.
I have begun drinking a soy protein shake every day, to really hammer by protein intake.
So I"m getting about 30% of my calories from it right now. If anyone wants to look at my nutrition, I can show you on fitday.com
Let me know if you want the password.

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