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started by SlowE30 on December 3, 2006

edit: post-race update: see last post on this page - post # 20
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i jumped into my first half marathon this october about 2 weeks before the race date (just like i did for my first sprint tri), having only run a max of 7 miles since 5-6 years before when i was in HS cross country. i ran 12 miles in 2 hours one time to make sure i could do the race distance, ran a few times to "train", and pulled out a 1:40:28 in the 1/2 marathon.

the same gal who convinced me to do the 1/2M has challenged me to do a full marathon with her in february.

my usual workout routine consists of: 1-2 times a week run 3-4 miles at a slow pace with the cute girl from my dorm. swim 500yards about 2 times a week. a longer run on my own or a 20 mile bike ride on average about once a week.

this spring semester i'll be on an internship (not taking classes) so I could theoretically train more except it will be cold and i will be lazy.

I'm not shooting for the stars or anything here - i think finishing in 4 hours would make me happy. anyone have any input on how stupid this is? i'm most likely going to follow thru with this. how much am I going to have to change my lifestyle in order to have an acceptable finish?

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glbrum posted 1 year ago.

You already made up your mind, so you better get your butt outside or on the treadmill. Run 3 days a week. You'll be fine.

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glbrum posted 1 year ago.

SlowE30;57655 wrote:
i jumped into my first half marathon this october about 2 weeks before the race date (just like i did for my first sprint tri), having only run a max of 7 miles since 5-6 years before when i was in HS cross country. i ran 12 miles in 2 hours one time to make sure i could do the race distance, ran a few times to "train", and pulled out a 1:40:28 in the 1/2 marathon.

the same gal who convinced me to do the 1/2M has challenged me to do a full marathon with her in february.

my usual workout routine consists of: 1-2 times a week run 3-4 miles at a slow pace with the cute girl from my dorm. swim 500yards about 2 times a week. a longer run on my own or a 20 mile bike ride on average about once a week.

this spring semester i'll be on an internship (not taking classes) so I could theoretically train more except it will be cold and i will be lazy.

I'm not shooting for the stars or anything here - i think finishing in 4 hours would make me happy. anyone have any input on how stupid this is? i'm most likely going to follow thru with this. how much am I going to have to change my lifestyle in order to have an acceptable finish?

running with the cute girl. good move.

So you are anticipating the fact that you will be lazy, but you're gonna run a marathon in Feb. regardless.....

I suggest you go buy some warm gear and go for it. Although it doesn't get super cold where I'm from (about mid 40's, maybe low 40's) I love running in the cold.

Maybe you should talk to the cute girl and convince her to do it also. That would get you out the door, wouldn't it?

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cayman posted 1 year ago.

Dude, youth is only going to get you so far-- about a 1/2M and change. You gotta respect the distance. Once you get to 18 miles, it's a whole different world. Google bonk + running.

Bump up your training as much as you can without risking injury. get a plan and read some Hal Higdon. Going into a marathon you should be doing at least 40-50 mile weeks 10-12 weeks out. I prefer 60-70, with at least 2 long 20 mile runs before race day.

At any rate, I've never been one to step on anybody's dream, just MHO. Do what you gotta do, but be safe.

Sometimes if you don't take risks you miss out on a lot of life's many wonders.

Let us know how it goes. Good luck

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Tamara posted 1 year ago.

Whoa....don't scare the kid! I've never done 60+ mile weeks but have successfully completed 3 marathons. I wasn't breaking land speed records, but if he's only running about 10mi/wk now, trying to get to 60 between now and Feb is guaranteed disaster and injuries. Most beginner marathon programs don't have you doing any more than 30-35/wk at the peak of training.

SlowE, I think you can do it if you really can run (get that cute girl out on the trail a bit more) if you start training now. But glbrum is right - 26.2 isn't just twice the distance of 13.1. It's a whole different world and you need to be ready.
Good luck!

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cayman posted 1 year ago.

Sorry, didn't mean scare anyone off or to suggest SlowE should be doing 60-70 mile weeks... just what I do to get me there.

I'm pullin' for him, cautiousily of course.

Check the link.

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-244-255-8257-0,00.html

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SlowE30 posted 1 year ago.

thanks for the thoughts. you're telling me pretty much what i expected but feared: even if i'm in decent shape now, i'm going to have to train a lot. work next semester is 13-14 miles from home, and i will be living with co-workers. looks like i'll have to run home once or twice/wk and bike commute to/from once or twice a week as well to start getting some mileage in.

they say going from half IM to full IM isn't twice as hard... it's more like 5-10 times as hard. so i'm starting to guess going from 1/2M to full M is similar.

you can trust me to put in a very minimum of effort in my training ;) ... i'll let you know what that ends up being and how/if the marathon goes.
it's hard to motivate myself to get in badass shape when i'll be travelling out-of-country all summer and will lose any mediocre fitness i attain.

other thoughts or tips, or advice from others who have done little training for a marathon, are welcome.

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tcrunner07 posted 1 year ago.

get the girl to run it with you..then it doesn't matter how much training you do!!

If you get a flat, and don't have a tube, Suck it up and run it in!!!

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trainDaBrain posted 1 year ago.

I'd have to say that the marathon has been the most painful event (all by itself) that I have ever done. This beats 24-hour and multi-day events that I've done. The ironman was a close 2nd, but the difference was all about training. I only trained to mile 18 for that first marathon and had never done anything longer. The maxim: "you can double any distance that you can currently run" is true. Although it doesn't tell you how bad it will hurt if you only train half the target distance!

Just a word of warning. Marathons, if not approached with at least some level of respect will make you pay for it. :)

Good luck!

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beads1985 posted 1 year ago.

I am a 35-45 mile a week trainer when it comes to marathons.

As stated before your youth and general fitness may get you thru the 26.2 but not easily.

Each mile after 13 will become exponentially harder and you will be feeling it after 18, and feelings days after as you recover.

You have the time so I would put in the work. :D

Nothing to it, but to do it

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dr_rios_ec posted 1 year ago.

trainDaBrain;57678 wrote:
I'd have to say that the marathon has been the most painful event (all by itself) that I have ever done. This beats 24-hour and multi-day events that I've done. The ironman was a close 2nd, but the difference was all about training. I only trained to mile 18 for that first marathon and had never done anything longer. The maxim: "you can double any distance that can currently run" is true. It doesn't tell you how bad it will hurt if you only train half the target distance!

Just a word of warning. Marathons, if not approached with at least some level of respect will make you pay for it. :)

Good luck!


I totally agree with TDB
From a medical point of view...
Marathon no matter how young and strong you are, needs to be aproached with respect...
My friend this is not to scare you, or dicourage you...to the contrary...is to make you embrace a trainning regimen that is gonna keep you safe, and ensure a joyful experience while you compete in you Marathon...sometimes, I have seen it before, some people, hurt, injured and with regrets after doing a marathon without trainning...
I remember my first one...boy that was painful.:(
Distance running, and endurance sports, put lots of preasure in your whole body, muscle system, joints, heart, and lungs...and so on...
Make sure to put more miles, engage a plan...take some care on your nutrition...and on top of all enjoy trainning with this cute girl...that is also a great motivation..
Keep us update on how you are doing...
Have fun, best of luck....

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"It ain´t about how hard you can hit...it is how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward"-Rocky Balboa

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gfd posted 1 year ago.

I know a couple of people who did the minimum possible in training and completed a marathon. None of them has run one since and they have no plans to run one in the future. If you are doing it for the experience that is great. Follow a sound training plan and maximize your experience.

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SlowE30;57655 wrote:
i jumped into my first half marathon this october about 2 weeks before the race date (just like i did for my first sprint tri), having only run a max of 7 miles since 5-6 years before when i was in HS cross country. i ran 12 miles in 2 hours one time to make sure i could do the race distance, ran a few times to "train", and pulled out a 1:40:28 in the 1/2 marathon.

the same gal who convinced me to do the 1/2M has challenged me to do a full marathon with her in february.

my usual workout routine consists of: 1-2 times a week run 3-4 miles at a slow pace with the cute girl from my dorm. swim 500yards about 2 times a week. a longer run on my own or a 20 mile bike ride on average about once a week.

this spring semester i'll be on an internship (not taking classes) so I could theoretically train more except it will be cold and i will be lazy.

I'm not shooting for the stars or anything here - i think finishing in 4 hours would make me happy. anyone have any input on how stupid this is? i'm most likely going to follow thru with this. how much am I going to have to change my lifestyle in order to have an acceptable finish?

Not crazy at all and should not be too tough to finish. Have fun!

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

See? See what I'm talking about..People want the thrill but don't want to put in the work! They treat the marathon like it's a Saturday trip to the pub. No respect and no since of history...The same thing that trashed rock climbing.
Sure..go ahead and do it...don't train for it properly and you'll finish...And some years from now, you'll be one of those guys who says "Oh, I did a marathon once and it almost killed me." instead of "I do marathons now and again and I love 'em! They really are not too bad."
Beads and TDB are sooo right.
BTW TDB...did ya see your Birthday greeting!

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trainDaBrain posted 1 year ago.

Anton;57716 wrote:
BTW TDB...did ya see your Birthday greeting!

Nope, but thanks for the thought!

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SlowE30 posted 1 year ago.

Anton;57716 wrote:
See? See what I'm talking about..People want the thrill but don't want to put in the work! They treat the marathon like it's a Saturday trip to the pub. No respect and no since of history...The same thing that trashed rock climbing.

just like how snobbery trashed road biking? ;)
this post has provided the most inspiration on the page and i'm not being sarcastic at all... not that i'm not grateful for those who provided words of encouragement and tips.

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

You are sooo right! My post was sort of tongue in cheek..I don't think there is an emoticon for that. I know you are not being sarcastic...it's cool. Lad you go for it! I did stuff far more insane than that at your age...and despite some surgery and depressed skull fracture...I turned out ok!

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jmruns430 posted 1 year ago.

You might be even closer to the girl if you actually train with her too. Something tells me that most likely she's not too lazy to put off training and hack through it. There is a chance you'll make it through okay (and make a lot of people irritated that they worked so hard), but it'll be more fun if you could actually walk and breathe enough afterwards to go get a beer with her. Look at Higdon's novice schedule and jump in. halhigdon.com

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SlowE30 posted 1 year ago.

Anton;57738 wrote:
You are sooo right! My post was sort of tongue in cheek..I don't think there is an emoticon for that. I know you are not being sarcastic...it's cool. Lad you go for it! I did stuff far more insane than that at your age...and despite some surgery and depressed skull fracture...I turned out ok!

ah, good. sorry about that. and thanks!

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SlowE30 posted 1 year ago.

Well, I did my first - the myrtle beach marathon on saturday.

short story: official times aren't posted yet, but i finished 3:48 or so (chip time) and 3:50:30 by the gun. I beat my goal and am happy and uninjured, though pretty sore. my first half was 1:50:30, so I didn't slow much for the second part. my companion finished in about 4 hours flat. it was her first, too.
here's post-race pic of me and the gal who inspired/convinced me to do it.

here are some highlights from my experience:

Training:

i was in decent shape to start out and an occasional runner/trainer. i started "training" the first week in january. i did a few shorter runs (total) and swam about 2 times a week, with a total of 3 "long runs" from 13 to 16 miles. i'll total up my abysmal mileages sometime and post what an idiot i am.

the 16 miler is a story in itself because I ran 6 miles to paris mountain on an empty stomach at night, forgot about my empty stomach and ran 6 more miles over the mountain (beautiful view at night- totally worth it), headed around the mountain to get back home, made it about 3 miles homeward, bonked, begged a fountain drink from a gas station, and hitchhiked the remaining 7 miles home.

race conditions:
start at 6:30am. 25 degrees F when we started, warming up to maybe 40-45 by the time i finished. I wore socks on my hands, which worked out wonderfully even though i looked like a fool. they were warm, easy to take on and off for water stations and when i got hot, and i could have thrown them away along the run if i tired of them. i wore shorts with a speedo "jammer" type swimsuit instead of normal undies because i never get chaffing that way - that's worked well for me.

Race:
some guy smiling for the camera tripped over a cone at mile 2 and wiped out. I got passed by a 60 year old man who was 6 inches shorter than I am, who runs ultras. I also got passed by a few 40-something overweight guys, which humbled the hell out of me.

at mile 13, we passed by the start/finish so the half marathoners could end. that was demoralizing. at mile 16, i realized I had run the farthest I ever had... and i still had 10 miles left. it was HAAAAARRRRDDD to keep running around mile 20, and i was just going mile to mile after that. i walked all the water stations along the whole course so i could get the water in me instead of on me.

i ate a bagel with peanut butter 1 hour before the race and a total of 4 gels along the way. water/powerade stations were every 2 miles, and i hit each one except the first, and usually got powerade.

post-race:
i'm pretty sore now, especially the calves, but also wierd stuff like my shoulders as if i was running tense. i didn't lose any toenails, get any blisters, start hallucinating, or bonk/hit the wall during my first marathon, so i guess i lucked out.

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Anton posted 1 year ago.

Kudos on your first!...It's always nice too when someone gets back to us after asking for advice months before...
16 Miles was your longest run! Yikes!
Walking the aid stations is always a good idea...
Sounds like you had fun...again,congrats!

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catwood posted 1 year ago.

Congrats! I'd consider that a very successful first marathon!

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RV posted 1 year ago.

Way ta go! Looks like it came together really well. :D

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JRH posted 1 year ago.

great job! now get busy recovering for the tri season!

proud and high or low and humble - many miles before I go

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TriOnLife posted 1 year ago.

SlowE30;57655 wrote:
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my usual workout routine consists of: 1-2 times a week run 3-4 miles at a slow pace with the cute girl from my dorm. swim 500yards about 2 times a week. a longer run on my own or a 20 mile bike ride on average about once a week.

I hate to contradict everyone but because of your age you will be fine. I do recommend that you work in some longer runs and at least attempt one 18 mile run about 2 weeks before the marathon. It should be warm enough by then.

So yes - you should step up your mileage but I wouldn't worry a whole lot about it if you don't. I've twice run a marathon with a young guy who did about as much training as you and he ran a 4:30ish race and was fine afterward.

It's up to you - if you want to perform then you need to train. If just want to run the distance you can train less.

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