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HIM mandatory before an IM........

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started by glbrum on November 7, 2006

After reading through the "14 hr IM cutoff" I don't think a time cutoff will happen for various reasons, but what about a HIM being necessary before you can sign up for an IM? You don't have to win your AG or get on the podium, you just have to complete the event. Discuss.

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PrinceofClydes posted 3 years ago.

If you live in Fairbanks (or some other remote area where there is no IM or HIM within 3,000 miles), you'd have twice the expense to achieve a goal of completing an IM.

I did my first IM at IMC in 2003, not having done a HIM, just because it was the nearest race longer than OLy distance to where I lived.

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Red5 posted 3 years ago.

Sure, it could drive biz to the 70.3 series, make those races quaifiers for WTC Ironman events.

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glbrum posted 3 years ago.

Red5;56003 wrote:
Sure, it could drive biz to the 70.3 series, make those races quaifiers for WTC Ironman events.

I'm net necessarily saying that the 70.3 races need to be qualifiers because that would mean that the IM races would have extremely small fields (if the only way to get in were to qualify at 70.3).

If they allowed returning IMer's a "no qualify" entry, then the numbers would stay up. Meaning that people who already raced, for instance, IMLP 06 wouldn't have to do another 70.3, instead they can just sign up for IMLP.

Having 70.3 races as qualifiers would still shut out a lot of people, unless of course the slots went 20 deep. My thing is simply to make people aware of HOW hard an IM is by training and racing a 70.3 or any HIM.

I think a lot people say they know an IM is hard, but they don't *really* know how hard it is. Although a HIM is only half, it still gives really good insight into the time, demand, challenges, etc. that training for an IM would take. I don't think people fully realize that when they sign up for these races.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

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Anton posted 3 years ago.

As I said over on "14 cutoff.." Not a 70.3,but ANY Him. USAT sanctioned with in the year prior to sign up.
There is no way I'd want to make it just 70.3 races..What? Give those guys even more money?
POC has a valid point about limited race options.
But...I go to ultras all the time and people are running without having done anything comperable...and it works for them.

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kona_expat posted 3 years ago.

Not just DO a HIM, but go 6:30 or less. That would self-select IM finish times.

Allow people to sign up for the IM as they do now. Those who have completed an IM in 14 hours or less in the 6 months prior to registration are automatically guaranteed entry.

Those who have not must either complete an IM in 14 hours or less (remember they could have been qualified for this event previously) or comlete a HIM in 6:30 or less 3 or more months before the race date. So you have a waiting list. If you don't make the cut, try again next year. It costs you $100 (non-refundable) to hold your spot, so there's money to make off of this.

Qualification races only need to be USAT certified.

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Tikal Dog posted 3 years ago.

I don´t think that would be a good idea.

But remember that if you sgn up for Kona Lottery and you win a spot....THEN they require yo to complete a HIM distance race before and send proof to them to validate your lottery spot.

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Red5 posted 3 years ago.

I think the plan is to greatly increse the number of 70.3 races. Since they already carry the "Ironman" moniker, they would be a fitting series to act as full "Ironman" qualifiers.

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mdd posted 3 years ago.

kona_expat;56025 wrote:
Not just DO a HIM, but go 6:30 or less. That would self-select IM finish times.

Allow people to sign up for the IM as they do now. Those who have completed an IM in 14 hours or less in the 6 months prior to registration are automatically guaranteed entry.

Those who have not must either complete an IM in 14 hours or less (remember they could have been qualified for this event previously) or comlete a HIM in 6:30 or less 3 or more months before the race date. So you have a waiting list. If you don't make the cut, try again next year. It costs you $100 (non-refundable) to hold your spot, so there's money to make off of this.

Qualification races only need to be USAT certified.

I like this idea. Would give everyone a fair chance while still weeding some of the pretenders.

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ggalvao posted 3 years ago.

I like the idea very much... I do intend to do a HIM before I do an IM! I think it is a necessary step towards the greatest challenge.

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TBRAVO posted 3 years ago.

Wow. I just put something similiar in the 14 hour cutoff post:
It still amazes me how many people jump right into a longer distance tri before attempting a shorter distance first. Tons of people do this…sometimes it works out for them…sometimes it doesn’t. My thought is what if they came up with a set of rules that required a person to complete a shorter distance tri before you could enter the next longer distance tri. So you would have to complete a Sprint before an Oly, an Oly before a Half IM, and a Half IM before a full IM. This approach my upset some people, but seems like a logical progression.
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beads1985 posted 3 years ago.

TBRAVO;56039 wrote:
Wow. I just put something similiar in the 14 hour cutoff post:
It still amazes me how many people jump right into a longer distance tri before attempting a shorter distance first. Tons of people do this…sometimes it works out for them…sometimes it doesn’t. My thought is what if they came up with a set of rules that required a person to complete a shorter distance tri before you could enter the next longer distance tri. So you would have to complete a Sprint before an Oly, an Oly before a Half IM, and a Half IM before a full IM. This approach my upset some people, but seems like a logical progression.
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It makes sense and that is how I did it as well.
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Riverbrady posted 3 years ago.

I could understand, and agree with something along the lines of needing to complete a HIM in the year prior to validate your spot in the race. You run into all sorts of logistics issues if you require completion of the HIM before you can register, but it has to be in the year prior...how many of us sign up for, book lodging for, make vacation plans for that IM 9-12 months prior to the race, with the intent to complete our HIM during our early season buildup.

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Riverbrady posted 3 years ago.

Have to disagree with the sprint and oly distances...they're a completely different type of race than the HIM/IM. What do the people (like my girlfriend) do who cannot go fast due to asthma/lung functions, but can steadily pound the pavement for hours and hours on end?

Buildup within sprint type events, or endurance type events, sure. Crossing over doesn't make logical sense to me.

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PJT posted 3 years ago.

While I am on the record opposing the 14 hour cutoff for Ironman, I do have to say that it would not bother me too much to see a requirement that IM competitors complete a Half before doing an IM. Although it strikes me as legislating common sense--I really do think everyone should do one, or preferably several, Halfs before trying an IM--if WTC wants to do it to ensure that their IM competitors understand the rules, can deal with nutrition, etc., fine.

Of course, my guess is WTC would restrict the qualifying/validation to their own IM 70.3 races, not just any HIM, but that's another debate...

Finally, PoC has a valid point about those who live far away from any halfs. I'm not really sure how I would deal with that issue.

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thebeatcatcher posted 3 years ago.

it's a much better idea than a 14hr cutoff.

i couldn't imagine not doing one before attempting an IM.

i wonder what the stats would be on IM competitors that have not completed a HIM prior?