Advil before/during a race?
I don't take Advil unless absolutely necessary, and never before or during a workout. It supposedly is bad for the kidneys. Here's an article on the subject: http://www.active.com/story.cfm?story_id=12992
I seem to recall hearing that Tylenol is better, but I avoid even that during or right before workouts.
I'm not sure about other NSAIDS (e.g., aspirin, naproxen)
Any science/medical types, feel free to chime in.
Pros say NO, but I think they use it personally. I, a race situation of IM only. Take 4 start of run and 2 mid and 2 before finish. Although there is still pain, hehehehe :D
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Pros say NO, but I think they use it personally.
I think pros use alot of stuff they tell the rest of us not to use! ;)
Personally I would say to avoid it if you can but if you get alot of pain or swelling then it probably wouldn't hurt to use it although you might want to try it during some training rides/runs first just in case it upsets your stomach or something of that nature.

I haven't ever taken any before or during a workout or race. And only very seldom after. I try to avoid/limit taking any meds.
Not sure why you would want to take any, other than if getting lots of swelling. If getting pain, other than the 'normal' suffering, then there may be other issues and numbing the pain could lead to over-training and injury. But if just regular pain from endurance racing I always fall back to the old adage 'Rub some dirt on it and walk it off!':D
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You shouldn't use any NSAIDS before, during, and not until 48 hours after and endurance event.
Use Acetaminophen like Tylenol
Here is a lengthy detailed article on the subject. from the AMAA Journal(American Medical Athletic Association)
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NHG/is_3_17/ai_n13467250
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Isnt that illegal? At the Whirlpool 70.3 this year there was a little snippet in the race packet to that effect.
I know plenty go on without the RD's knowing it (drafting, pacing, mp3 players etc), but I think taking anything to dull the pain of competition is sketchy. Of course, any prescription meds would have to be OK.
Just my $0.02
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Isnt that illegal? At the Whirlpool 70.3 this year there was a little snippet in the race packet to that effect.I know plenty go on without the RD's knowing it (drafting, pacing, mp3 players etc), but I think taking anything to dull the pain of competition is sketchy. Of course, any prescription meds would have to be OK.
Just my $0.02
Tylenol??
Illegal??
Could you elaboborate?
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Isnt that illegal? At the Whirlpool 70.3 this year there was a little snippet in the race packet to that effect.I know plenty go on without the RD's knowing it (drafting, pacing, mp3 players etc), but I think taking anything to dull the pain of competition is sketchy. Of course, any prescription meds would have to be OK.
Just my $0.02
I can't imagine Tylenol or something like that being illegal but who knows. Personally I am more concerned with the performance enhancing drugs like EPO that I know are used pretty heavily by even amauter triahletes (at least in my area). I don't know any pros so I can't speak to that but if you come to a triathlon in my area of the country you better have a little "extra juice" if you plan on winning your AG, let alone overall. It kind of stinks but racing isn't about medals, it is about testing your own NATURAL limits and seeing what you are made of so to speak. Does anyone know if there is testing at amauter events? The longest event I have ever done is a 1/2 Ironman and I have never seen anyone getting tested or heard of anyone being tested.

First off, I have never heard of Tylenol, Advil, or any other over-the-counter painkiller being illegal in races. Not saying it couldn't happen, but I would be very surprised.
Second, the US Anti-Doping Agency reportedly conducts screening every year at a small number of events based on the recommendations of USAT. According to a recent article on slowtwitch, they tested only 233 athletes last year. For what it's worth, there were exactly zero "adverse findings." http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/features/wada_stats.html#Anchor-11481
I've never heard of any age-grouper being tested either, which is unsurprising since only a tiny percentage of athletes appear to be selected for testing each year.
I don't know how they would ever make OTC pain relievers illegal.
Tylenol is a big sponsor to a lot of events I have been at. Events need sponsors so I think it could be detrimental.
Maybe we can be optimistic about age groupers not doing something illegal.
Maybe a few bad example skew our perceptions of how bad things could be.
I am all about testing my limits and being a good example to my kids.
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I didn't think that Age Groupers got tested but at least there is some testing of the higher level athletes. I assumed the Pros would get screened since there is a decent amount of money on the line at certain events.

I worked the medical tent this past weekend at IMC and the doctor in charge said that using NSAID's during a race can cause athletes to become hyponatremic (low sodium levels), which can land one in the ICU of a hospital or lead to death if the levels are critically low. This latter reason is why they try not to give IV's after the race to many people unless they absolutely need it. IV's just water down your blood and throw off your salt levels to the low side.
Hope that helps.
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Advil and racing:
Well is interesting to read that type of question, and I can tell there is a lot of different ideas and opinions.
Now..lets beging saying that Advil, with the generic that is Ibuprofen, is part of the family of the NSAIDS, just like naproxen, ketoprofen, and so on; in the other hand, Tylenol is out of this family, is not exactly a purely antinflamatory drug, its properties are different, and its metabolism is different, NSAIDS predominantly go through the kidney, Tylenol (acetamminophen) is metabolized by the liver.
Now, from a medical point of view, I think for any athlete, particulary an endurance one, is sort of risky to take any NSAID, before and during a race or trainning session, the reason as some of the guys here pointed, is that no matter how much liquid you take during race and or trainning, you are dihydrating yourself, so your kidneys are already going 100% trying to regulate your fluid compartments in your body, how liquid is filtered, how much you sweat, how much gets retained, how much goes to your bladder. If you add the Ibuprofen to the equation, is too much...taking the risk of kidnay damage, something that in any concept is bad. The furthest part of that bad result will be Acute Tubular Necrosis, is other words...your kidneys get fried...and you might end up at a hospital to get treatment to safe your reanal function.
Some athletes, like ultramarathoners, adventure racers, climbers, even without any drug, get some sort of kidney damage do to the strenous physical activity, that comes with some muscle tissue destruction and dehydration. You can easily check for that, is you ran a quick lab test measuring creatinine in the urine and blood.
So my final word, what I usually reocmend to patients in my practice is to take NSAIDS with caution, no matter you are an endurance athlete, and sedentary person or not.
If there are pains that make the athlete afraid of maybe failing to complete the race or trainning session, try some local aids, like heating creams to put your muscles at ease, some massage, and a very good warm up session.
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According to a recent article on slowtwitch, they tested only 233 athletes last year. For what it's worth, there were exactly zero "adverse findings." http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/features/wada_stats.html#Anchor-11481
QUOTE]Make sure you are getting your information regarding any health related topic directly from a professional medical/nursing journal. Information can sometimes be molded and told differently or more importantly, critical facts can be left out, when journals are quoted or interpretted by non-medical persons. Not all interpretations are false, just be sure you research where the info in your favorite magazine came from and how correct it is before taking it to heart. Thankfully, most contributing writers to our favorite mags are PhD's in physiology and kinetics or are MD's. But still, be cautious about what you read, because there are "adverse effects" to taking any NSAID before and during races.
Toni, RN, BSN
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PJT;51340 wrote:
According to a recent article on slowtwitch, they tested only 233 athletes last year. For what it's worth, there were exactly zero "adverse findings." http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/features/wada_stats.html#Anchor-11481
QUOTE]Make sure you are getting your information regarding any health related topic directly from a professional medical/nursing journal. Information can sometimes be molded and told differently or more importantly, critical facts can be left out, when journals are quoted or interpretted by non-medical persons. Not all interpretations are false, just be sure you research where the info in your favorite magazine came from and how correct it is before taking it to heart. Thankfully, most contributing writers to our favorite mags are PhD's in physiology and kinetics or are MD's. But still, be cautious about what you read, because there are "adverse effects" to taking any NSAID before and during races.
Toni, RN, BSN
Toni, apologies for any confusion--that slowtwitch article was about PEDs, not NSAIDs (thread got a little off topic). Slowtwitch reported zero adverse findings at the events where USADA tested (at USAT's suggestion) because that's what USAT told the writer--there is no underlying journal article.
Some athletes, like ultramarathoners, adventure racers, climbers, even without any drug, get some sort of kidney damage do to the strenous physical activity, that comes with some muscle tissue destruction and dehydration. You can easily check for that, is you ran a quick lab test measuring creatinine in the urine and blood.
I have had bouts of rhadomyolysis after exercise(slouging off of muscles cells that proceed to overload the kidney), and I'm not an ultra-anything (see my skill & endurance levels). One of the potential factors that the docs pointed to was NSAID use. So, while I may have a genetic predisposition to this situation, the docs definitely suggested that regular or over- use of NSAIDs in combination with strenuous endurance activities was not a good thing...
hydrate, stretch, and warmup regularly
I have had bouts of rhadomyolysis after exercise(slouging off of muscles cells that proceed to overload the kidney), and I'm not an ultra-anything (see my skill & endurance levels). One of the potential factors that the docs pointed to was NSAID use. So, while I may have a genetic predisposition to this situation, the docs definitely suggested that regular or over- use of NSAIDs in combination with strenuous endurance activities was not a good thing...hydrate, stretch, and warmup regularly
There you go....Evidence based medicine....;)
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"It ain´t about how hard you can hit...it is how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward"-Rocky Balboa
i take one baby asprin everyday
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Took NSAIDS once during an ultra and was fine. Didn't repeat the practice after, as the doc said, I knew a guy who fried his kidneys.
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Whiskey....wow....!!!!
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"It ain´t about how hard you can hit...it is how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward"-Rocky Balboa
Baby Aspirin...that is a cardioprotective measure for coronary heart disease....How old are you Christri25??
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"Man!! Defeat is worse than dying, cause´you have to live with it" -My Dad
"It ain´t about how hard you can hit...it is how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward"-Rocky Balboa
Ok guys....here is a nice piece of info...from a well respected medical journal...so if you are in the mood for a little reading..because in a little long...go for it...but it will really outline with detail why not to use NSAIDS while you practice endurance sports. Hope you guys like it...if there is any point you want to discuss or clarify...I´ll be around...
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NHG/is_3_17/ai_n13467250/pg_1
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"Man!! Defeat is worse than dying, cause´you have to live with it" -My Dad
"It ain´t about how hard you can hit...it is how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward"-Rocky Balboa
Baby Aspirin...that is a cardioprotective measure for coronary heart disease....How old are you Christri25??
im 30 !!!!!!!!
Chris
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im 30 !!!!!!!!
30 years old, athletic, and too young and active to need to worry about heart disease (unless it runs in the family)... :p
-Toni
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. - FDR
4) No contestant may use alcohol or any illegal, detrimental or dangerous drugs, stimulants, depressants or other substances or procedures with the intent to improve performance, eliminate the sense of fatigue or for any other purpose. Violation of this rule is grounds for immediate disqualification, and will result in a one-year suspension for a first offense. Second offenders will
be banned from all future Ironman-licensed events.It is recommended that you stick with your tried and true routines regarding training and equipment, especially just prior to the race. This also applies to pre-race dietary intake and medications.
I'm sure this is DIRECTLY aimed at illegal drugs etc...but OTC pain meds would fall under that umbrella wouldn't it? Eliminate swelling and reduce pain of competition?
To be worn out is to be renewed.
Lao-tzu
Chinese philosopher (604 BC - 531 BC)
Took NSAIDS once during an ultra and was fine. Didn't repeat the practice after, as the doc said, I knew a guy who fried his kidneys.Does a shot of Whiskey count? :)
And maybe a beer or 2,
You know, for the carbs :D
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Yeah guys...what ever put some fuel on you....!!!
-Santiago
"Man!! Defeat is worse than dying, cause´you have to live with it" -My Dad
"It ain´t about how hard you can hit...it is how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward"-Rocky Balboa
i take one baby asprin everyday
Dude!!! Just 30...!!! You are my age...man...you are a healthy dude, athletic...no need to take the baby aspirin!!!!!
-Santiago
"Man!! Defeat is worse than dying, cause´you have to live with it" -My Dad
"It ain´t about how hard you can hit...it is how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward"-Rocky Balboa
Una cerveza the night before a race is just a sleep enhancer, anxiety reducer, muscle relaxer and a great way to refuel on Chromium, a natural element in the body. :) Not to mention the carbo loading factor.
But I wouldn't recommend it during a race.
-Toni
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. - FDR
Actually in several marathons I have done there was an 'unofficial' beer aid station, around mile 19-21.
I had a few small cups and it was yummy!!
Made the last 10k or so easier to take. :D
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That´s right Beads1985, in my last marathon that I did in Ecuador, they had a big Tent of one of the sponsors, that is our national brand of beer, and they were giving cups to the runners...
Let me tell you guys that they were hugely popular, and runners were extremely happy....
-Santiago
"Man!! Defeat is worse than dying, cause´you have to live with it" -My Dad
"It ain´t about how hard you can hit...it is how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward"-Rocky Balboa
Una cerveza the night before a race is just a sleep enhancer, anxiety reducer, muscle relaxer and a great way to refuel on Chromium, a natural element in the body. :) Not to mention the carbo loading factor.But I wouldn't recommend it during a race.
I go with a martini :)
haha that's awesome dr_rios... beer at aid stations...
Besides, wouldn't all that alcohol turn to energy super fast? Even faster than sugar? Or do I just not know a damn thing about metabolism?
well my good friend, alcohol actually will dehydrate you faster...willl get absorbed faster...and turned into acetaldehide faster...meaning that will make you dizzy faster...
But...of course that would be with a whole glass..or so...
-Santiago
"Man!! Defeat is worse than dying, cause´you have to live with it" -My Dad
"It ain´t about how hard you can hit...it is how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward"-Rocky Balboa
I go with a martini :)
BBB said you prefer 3-5 martinis before marathons. :p
-Toni
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Hey guys....I was just wondering if any of you take any sort of pain reliever pill before or during long races...thanks