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kona_expat posted 1 year ago.
You may need to go beyond TI. TI is good for body position in the water, but it doesn't do much for the finer points of stroke/propulsion. Try working with a Masters swim coach.
Another thing may be your workouts. Are you doing plenty of intervals of different lengths? Doing long, continuous swims doesn't get you used to swimming faster, just more comfortably.
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Tri Hard posted 1 year ago.
I'm a big fan of TI and my post will reflect that, there are many ways to become a better swimmer and I believe TI is one of those methods.
Several things strike me about your post:
-You mentioned being able to maintain a pace of 21-23 secs for the first 400 or so, assuming you're not pushing yourself particularly hard for that, you should be able to maintain that, as long as you can maintain your form. If you're pushing very hard to keep 21-23 sec pace, that's a different story.
-You mentioned using the DVD's.
-You mentioned doing a lot of long swims.
My thoughts on these points:
-Assuming you're not really pushing yourself to maintain 21-23 sec pace. Then you need to work on maintaining that form longer. I would suggest that you take a short break after 300 yards, regain your focus, and start again. Eventually you'll be able to maintain your form longer and won't have to stop after 300 yards, you could slowly work your way to longer distances before taking a break..
-I think the DVD's are great, but a set of eyes that is familar with TI techniques could be invaluable, whether it be another swimmer who is doing TI or one of their coaches. On the TI website there is a list of TI coaches, or you could post on the TI website (they have a forum) and see if there's another swimmer in your area. You may be doing things you don't realize but an observer could point out easily.
-If you're doing a lot of long swim your going to be practicing the form you have and if your form suffers after a while you'll be practicing this poorer form (see my thoughts from earlier.
Don't know if you're already doing this but I've found it very helpful to rotate using your hips as much as possible (I wasn't able to do this until recently as my balance in the water has improved).
Best of luck
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geochuck posted 1 year ago.
TI great for style but you have to swim fast to be fast. Here is a chart of ways to increase your speed be sure to use age appropriate heart rates as these HRs are for healthy teens
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deepbluex posted 1 year ago.
I haven't worked with a master's swim instructor/class before but it sounds like it could be a great learning tool. I think it's time I look into it.
I have been doing mostly longer swims and not much intervals. My "intervals" have been a mile, a half mile, then a quarter mile. But perhaps it's time to do shorter, more intense intervals.
Thanks for the feedback all
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geochuck posted 1 year ago.
If you do 5 x 25 on 30 sec and rest 30 sec then do 7 more sets of 5 at Max VO2 along with your regular warm up of 1000m and 1000m warm down you will have a very nice little work out.
When I do this workout I swim my 25 in 15 sec rest 15 sec x 5 rest then rest 30 sec and repeat this 7 times. A female swimmer to get the same effect as a male should do 10 of these sets.
You can also do 5 x 50, 5 x 75 rest 40 sec repeat 7 more sets. Do not do max V20 workouts more than twice a week
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glbrum posted 1 year ago.
I noticed my speed jump a lot after I got looked at with a video camera and a swim lesson. Then to get a little faster I worked a lot on 100 repeats. As everyone says, to get fast you have to swim fast. It worked to the tune of cutting 2minutes off of my oly swim time.
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Tikal Dog posted 1 year ago.
I agree with Kona! Interval training makes a difference.
just today I had one (1,500m done in intervals of 50m blah blah blah) and I almost felt I was going to pass out....but in the end I was able to finish it. (had done 2,300m of other stuff before the intervals)
Having a coach on the pool really helps. It has made a big difference for me. When I swim alone on saturdays I usually don´t push myself that much.
Hyperactive Trifueler!!!! (I refuse to let the status go :p)
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geochuck posted 1 year ago.
Here is Swimsmooth open the Swim Smooth Sample Video Demo and watch it, be sure and read the info first [url]http://www.swimsmooth.com/downloads.htm#Paolo][/url]
Okay. I am in this zone in my swim where I am not seeing any more gains in speed. if I just muscle it out, I tire out too fast. I try to keep my form as good as the "Total immersion" DVD taught me...
My times are about 21-23 seconds per 25yrd length of pool. It goes to about 26-27 sec per 25yrd length of pool after 400m.
I've been putting in a lot of distance swims but I am not seeing any further improvement in sustained high speeds. It's like I've hit my personal wall.
Have any of you gone through this sort of thing in the swim?