Debacle in Delavan (long report)
It sucks that a RD with some experience cant ut on a good event. Just talk trash about the event and the RD at every event and shop you go to. Do it in a casual "and you know what races i wont do again..." kind of way. Theres a local races around here with very poor production that realized their mistakes way too late after denying them for a while, and I do believe they are going to see a marked drop in registrations this year.
Good to you for being the good sport and taking the most out of the day. Any day racing is better than a good day sitting on your butt.
Life is short. Play hard and get dirty doing it.
Bummer. Sorry about the poorly put on race. Six one mile loops doesn't sound fun at all. Are they USAT sanctioned?
Believe me, _everyone_ talks trash about this RD. They are USAT sanctioned. There was a long thread on another tri website a few months ago about how the USAT is supposedly keeping their eye on the org this year and demanding improvements. I'm considering forwarding my RR to USAT.
Anyway, I am just moving on. I have a 1/2 IM in 3 weeks, an IM in September, and I can't afford to mope.
Not the same RD for the HIM, right? ;)
Life is short. Play hard and get dirty doing it.
Not the same RD for the HIM, right? ;)
No way. This one will be legit. And, I will at least drive the course the day before (won't have time to get up there to ride it).
Sorry that the day was such a mess.
I've done a couple races with Lake Geneva Extreme Sports - The Lake Geneva Oly in 2004 and the Lake Geneva HIM in 2005. The problem that I had with them was that they were running to many distances at the same time. Doing the HIM - coming in off the bike and you trip over all of the short distance athletes packing up to go home. Transitions were chaotic. Course markings were pretty good, tho. Also not many races seem to control the transition areas as far as proper check in and check out procedures. However, Spirit of Racine HIM and Pleasant Prairie Oly are real good at providing security.
And, yikes 6 loops for the run - YUCK!
Well at least you got a race effort training day in.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
Anyway, I am just moving on. I have a 1/2 IM in 3 weeks, an IM in September, and I can't afford to mope.
Doing High Cliff?
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
I did this race as well and completely understand the difficulties people had. But, my friend and I drove the course the night before the race (which was difficult given several poorly marked turns) and actually did the correct bike course. From speaking with the volunteers on the course, I know that my friend and I were the only two riders to complete the correct course.
We told the RD this and explained how we found the course and that the volunteers told each of us seperately that no one else had gone past. He knows that we were the only two people to ride the correct course, but decided, based on their bike times, to credit 29 other people with having completed the correct course.
When we asked him how he declared someone who he knew had not completed the correct course as the winner, he said they "massaged the data and decided who would have won."
I thought the title of your message was funny because the not I sent to the USAT Commissioner of Officials about this race was titled "Delavan Lake Triathlon debacle".
I think the worst part of this race is that I have developed a rash from that disgusting swim. I have a doctor appointment this afternoon to check it out. Has any one else noticed anything? It looks like I have chicken pox on my arms, neck and feet (the places not covered by my wetsuit). I am just happy that there is nothing on my face so far.
Yikes!
I haven't done any races by that rd.. I have done other races on similar courses though like the tds pewaukee tri and the big foot tri in lake geneva and those are great.
So, Lake Mills next year?
Doing High Cliff?
Yup. I did the Sprint last year, so I at least have a feel for part of that course. Any comments on the HIM bike course? The Sprint was pancake flat other than the high cliff at the very beginning and gradual descent towards the end.
Catwood, maybe Lake Mills next year-- sounds like you guys all had a much better day. Problem this year was a conflict with the Miller Lite ride in Milwaukee, which is one of the few opportunties I get to do 50+ training miles on a mostly closed course. We rode it yesterday and it was very pleasant. Provided I finish the IM this year, my focus next year will be on improving my speed in the shorter stuff, so Lake Mills is a possibility. I agree that TDS Pewaukee is great -- I'll be doing it for the 3rd time this year.
Tinmah, only 2 rode the correct course? Wow. When I was doing my backwards ride, a group of about 10-15 guys rode by at a pretty good clip in the other direction (probably around Mile 22 or so for them). I though that they must all have made the correct turn well in front of me and were heading in. I do agree that not everyone on the "official" list rode the correct course, because I am Exhibit A (and I was with 1 other guy in the same boat).
Yup. I did the Sprint last year, so I at least have a feel for part of that course. Any comments on the HIM bike course? The Sprint was pancake flat other than the high cliff at the very beginning and gradual descent towards the end.
No big hills - some rollers of course - I went back and checked my results from last year and I was just a hair under a 22 mph ave. It is a pretty quick course. Still thinking how to ride it this year - go hard for the HIM or practice IM pacing...
Last year they messed up the swim - it was short (I wish I could have swum that fast). The race director was all over it. Apologized and vowed to get it corrected for this year.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
as the other racer who finished the correct bike course, i also saw race staff along those 8 (or so) miles who claimed to have only seen timmah and me. frank, the rd, even acknowledged to us after the race that we were the only two to have done the right course.
some rode about 17 mi...and some went back out to add miles to try to make the 40k. he lists both "official bike course" and "un-official bike course" results. i'm not sure how they decided who did which (i'm sure you can guess some of it)...but the guy listed as 2nd overall (official course) finished in 51 mins (with 32min swim and 56 min run). i'll keep my eyes open for him in the tour de france this year. (this is not a knock on that racer...just frank's methodology).
i didn't get any rash like timmah, but the lake was indeed funkier than anything i've ever swam in. i won't be going back to that lake.
another friend of mine was told that he didn't win his age group b/c his time was dq'ed b/c he didn't do the correct bike distance. which i think is probably appropriate, but somehow this logic was only applied on a limited basis.
all in all...it was a beautiful day and i had a good time (other than the funk of the water). and, being a very average racer, it was the only chance i'll ever have to waiting to see if i'm announced in the top of the overall results during the awards...which, sadly, i wasn't. and the debacle gives me something to talk about other than my very disappointing race times.
the true losers are the competitive people who should have legitimately won.
My husband and I did the HIM 2 years ago. .won't ever do it again. Sounds like you had the same problems we had, which means nothing has changed. I'm guessing nothing will change until they get a new RD.
That does sound like some clear failures on the race director's part.
Every turn should have a very clear marker or someone there to flag racers in the right direction... It's not difficult to post a wooden sandwich board style sign at a corner with an arrow that says "Olympic Distance". I've seen it done many many times and it just makes it completely unambiguous.
Sorry to hear about the race being such a cluster-flubber.
Well, I won the Supersprint last year, so I thought I'd add a couple of miles to my ride on Saturday. As I was headed out of town I thought better of it, but by then it was too late. Especially after spending way too much time in that stinking water. :eek: Still, I finished forth.
Its great fun passing riders, but not twice! Just remember that whenever you enter this RD's triathlons, that orienteering is an essential skill. I don't see any way that the USAT sanctions any of his races in the future. And the sad part is that he could eliminate 90% of the complaints by marking the roads with $10 worth of spray paint!
Next up --- probably the Rockton Tri in Catwood's backyard; where she bested me by a few seconds last year. I'll be in the water every day until then --- better late then never --- I can't believe my first swim this year was 10 days ago!
thehitman
“Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.” Mark Twain
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Next up --- probably the Rockton Tri in Catwood's backyard; where she bested me by a few seconds last year. I'll be in the water every day until then --- better late then never --- I can't believe my first swim this year was 10 days ago!
I guess I gotta start up on my biking again if I'm going to hang on this year... Cause 2 years ago I beat you by 4 min at big foot (mostly on the swim and transitions), then I only got 15 sec last year at rockton. This trend doesn't look too good for me this year :eek:
Does anyone still have their map for bike course that was handed out at registration? The course described on the website is different for the sprint races. Strange stuff.
Also, if you have the Delavan Lake rash, like I do, this might be of interest: my doctor gave me a prescription and told me not to fill it unless it spread, started to itch or didn't go away within a week.
Does anyone still have their map for bike course that was handed out at registration? The course described on the website is different for the sprint races. Strange stuff.
I have the map from registration. You're right, the Sprint route is different on the website map/directions than it is on the registration day map. I have no idea which route was "official," so my comments above about seeing some Sprinters off course may not be correct, depending on which map you believe (but the Oly people were definitely off course).
And hitman, congrats on the 4th place finish. That's pretty darn good.
As my very first post on Trifuel, I wanted to let Timmah know that I also have the Delavan Lake Rash. I suppose it's swimmer's itch, so will wait it out before a doctor visit is in order. Just want you to know you're not alone. :)
Also, as one of the 2 female "official" finishers (the "champion", in fact) , I'll openly admit that while I rode 25.5 miles, I also missed the infamous Fox Ln turn. Actually turned back 1 mile down the road because I thought I was off track from my scouting ride, but convinced myself otherwise when everyone else was heading down South Shore at a frantic pace. Really have to learn to trust my instincts.
I guess I gotta start up on my biking again if I'm going to hang on this year... Cause 2 years ago I beat you by 4 min at big foot (mostly on the swim and transitions), then I only got 15 sec last year at rockton. This trend doesn't look too good for me this year :eek:
Do we have things reversed?
You're supposed to be speeding up while I'm slowing down!
I know you're still getting faster, so I guess I'll have to battle both you and father time on the 17th. :)
thehitman
“Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.” Mark Twain
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also have a rash...





This weekend, I “finished� the Delavan Lake Olympic tri directed by Lake Geneva Extreme Sports. The best I can say was that the weather was nice. I’m an MOP racer at best, so I can put up with a lot that would bother me if I were more competitive, but I will not do another race directed by that outfit again.
To review previous issues I’ve had:
1. Pewaukee Olympic, 2005: Swim course was short, bike course poorly marked & unattended, lax (read zero) security in transition area, run course about ½ mile too long.
2. Lake Geneva Half Iron 2005: Swim course was way too short (probably .8 vs 1.2 miles), bike course was changed with little notice, A.M. registration was chaotic, poor security in transition area, especially later in the day.
I had a grin & bear it attitude for these earlier races, but this latest one really soured me on the race direction.
This year, it was more of the same, yet worse. Well over half of the people who started the Olympic race rode far off the course. Reportedly, the RD insisted that the course was properly marked. Maybe so, maybe not, but the course was not easy to follow. Anyway, here is my report:
The swim. For once, the 1500M swim seemed about the right distance, if my time was any indication. Sighting was somewhat of a challenge. The first marker buoy for the Oly distance was roughly 200-300 yards from the shore. The return trip was directly into the sun, and directly into the shorter distance racers as well. The lake was very weedy—I had to stop 2 or 3 times during the swim to pull weeds off that had wrapped around my face, arms and neck. The lake also smelled absolutely putrid—by far the foulest water I have ever swum in.
It was my first time into a wetsuit this year. Normally, it takes me a few swims in a wetsuit to get acclimated to the different feel so I was a bit nervous about the swim. Still, I finished in an average (for me) time of around 32 minutes. I probably would have done better by improving my sighting and relaxing a bit more, but these are things I can work on.
The bike. This is where it all went bad. I rode out with several Olympic and Sprint distance athletes. The 3rd turn on the course was either not marked or so badly marked that somehow very few athletes saw it. I know I didn’t. For Sprint distance people who missed the turn, this probably shaved about 1 mile off of the course. For Olympic distance racers, it was more like 9 miles. By continuing on the road after the missed turn, we met up with the course again at an intersection. At this intersection, volunteers guided us into separate turns for Sprint & Olympic, putting people back on the right course. They did not seem fazed at all that we were coming up to the intersection from the wrong direction! Although I had ridden the course a few weeks before, I did not realize at that point that any of us had gone off course b/c the roads still looked somewhat familiar.
Later on, a group of about 10 of us (spread out over about ½ mile, I was about 4th or 5th in the line) missed another turn. I don’t know if it was marked or not. If it was, it was not too visible, and there was certainly no course volunteer there. The 2 people in the front of this line finally realized that we were off course after a couple of miles and stopped. I was swearing a blue streak, realizing finally that something was very wrong. At this point, about 6 of us turned around and started heading back to try to find where we had gone wrong. We signaled to about 5-6 more people coming behind us that they too were off course.
We hunted around unsuccessfully for about 10 minutes for the course, at which point someone just asked a passerby how to get back to T2. We then found a road heading back and, about 1 mile out from T2, I got my bearings again. This was a “C� race for me and a training day anyway, so I asked the group if anyone wanted to start riding the course in reverse to at least get a 40k bike ride out of the day before running. 1 other guy joined me. Using my computer, we rode out about 4 miles, then turned around to do 5 more to get to T2.
Let me take a minute here to say something: I know that it is the athlete’s responsibility to ride the correct course. I missed 2 turns that I should not have missed if I had done a better job of remembering/memorizing the course. I did a training ride 6 weeks before this race, but that obviously was not enough. My only defense is that I was following a group of riders and made the wrong assumption that those in front of me were following the correct course. I also rationalized, mentally, the second missed turn by remembering that, in Lake Geneva last year, the race course changed between my training ride 1 month before the race and race day. (Click here to see my race report). So I didn't immediately think it was unusual to find myself on an unfamiliar road during this race. But I realize these are not valid excuses for what happened. So I am at fault, as are the 50+ other Oly riders (I have no idea how many Sprinters, but there were at least some) who missed the turn(s). On the other hand, a good race director should do as much as possible to make turns at unmanned intersections easily identifiable. I don’t think anyone who did the Oly course would say that all the turns were prominently marked or easy to see. If they were, 55 out of 84 racers would not have gone off course.
The run. The talk on the run course was all about the botched bike rides. People were not happy. The run itself was a 6 loop course on sidewalks, access roads, and grass. 6 loops gets a little boring, if you ask me. Anyway, I was cooked from the frantic search for the bike course earlier and had a poor 10k even by my standards. I “finished� the race in just over 3 hours.
The aftermath. Go to www.onlineraceresults.com and see for yourself. The RD decided to split the Olympic finishers into 2 groups--those who rode the official course and those who did not. I was listed with the official finishers. I emailed the race director to let him know that, although I rode 40k, it was not all on the official course.
Other comments. The transition area was completely unsecured. Friends and family of the racers wandered freely into the area while I was in T2, and nobody checked athletes in or out. Not a good feeling when you’re finally riding a decent bike and you have to leave it there while running for an hour.
Bottom line, I would not recommend doing this race, or any other race by this RD. If you choose to do so, scout the course the day before, have someone watch your stuff in transition, and be prepared for the unexpected.