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started by RyanF on May 10, 2006

Hello,

Will probably be getting race wheels in the near future, was wondering do you swap your cassette on race day or buy a second one? I guess it comes down to money except if (i don't know if this is true) your chain and cogs wear together?

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Triguy98 posted 2 years ago.

If you get a race cassette, you need to get a race chain, too. Yes, they wear together, and new cassettes should get new chains.

No point in doing it unless you spend $$ to get some GOOD stuff, though.

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Blake posted 2 years ago.

get a second one....even if it's a cheaper 105... then put the new one on the old wheels... really switching a cassette sucks... i did it once... never again.

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RyanF posted 2 years ago.

Thanks for the replies, kinda what I figured.

Two more small questions, how do you know what size rim tape?

velox comes in 11, 17, or 22mm?

and...

If you get valve extenders, do you ride with them on (two) or just screw one on when you need to inflate?

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glbrum posted 2 years ago.

I would guess 17 would be fine. All you need it for is to cover the spoke holes on the rims, so as long as it does that, you are fine. Ride with the valve extenders on. If you take them off, the valve will be open and will allow air to flow out. With the valve ext. on there, it stops the air from coming out.

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kona_expat posted 2 years ago.

Are you kidding? Changing cassettes takes 5 minutes if you have the proper tools. Chain whip, lock nut, adjustable wrench. Don't forget the zip ties (or long twist ties) to keep the cogs in the correct sequence.

Also, I swap cassettes from wheels to wheels without changing the chain and have never had a problem.

Blake wrote:
get a second one....even if it's a cheaper 105... then put the new one on the old wheels... really switching a cassette sucks... i did it once... never again.

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rjkowski posted 2 years ago.

I agree with kona_expat. Changing a cassette is easy with the right tools. I would also recommend using a torque wrench to tighten up the lock nut on the cassette. Many wheels have fine aluminum threads that can get messed up if you overtorque. By the same token, undertorquing can be a disaster too.

If you are going to change cassettes, do it a week or two before the race. It's never a good idea to change your equipment the day before a race.

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glbrum posted 2 years ago.

you don't even need a chain whip. Just use a towel. Get a good grip and off it comes.

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rbreddin75 posted 2 years ago.

cassette is one of the few things on a bike that I K NOW I won't put on wrong... large cog goes on first... then work your way down to small cog..

or did all the spacers go on together at the end... darnit.. now I have to go read the manual..

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catwood posted 2 years ago.

Changing a cassette is easy - I've done it on race day several times no problem. Eventually after moving my cassette from my race wheels to my training wheels and back almost every week for a few months I bought a 105 cassette for my training wheels to reduce the hassle factor. I don't mess with the chain when I switch - just keep an eye on chain wear because you can damage the cassette by riding on a stretched chain and chains are much cheaper to replace than cassettes.

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trithis04 posted 2 years ago.

I always swap them. It is fairly fool proof. You should be able to buy the needed tools for $30 or so. Much cheaper than a second DA or Ultegra cassette.

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rbreddin75 posted 2 years ago.

catwood wrote:
just keep an eye on chain wear because you can damage the cassette by riding on a stretched chain and chains are much cheaper to replace than cassettes.

my whipperman 10S1 cost more than my ultegra cassette...

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Learn posted 2 years ago.

If you have two sets of race wheels, you should get two cassets and two chains and keep them together?

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Triguy98 posted 2 years ago.

I would only have one race cassette and chain. No sense in blowing a wad of money on something that isnt going to see action more than a couple times of year. You might wanna look at American Classic's race cassette. Expensive, wicked light, and comes in Campy 10 speed.
http://www.amclassic.com/Cassettes.html

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jsoder posted 2 years ago.

Why do you guys change out your cassettes? Is it because they are lighter and less durable? And is the change significant?

Also, while we are on the subject. I have seen several posts on this site talking about gear ratios. But without any reference point I can't figure out what they are talking about. Are they referrring to the cassettes you bring to a race? For example, if I'm going to do a ride in the Texas hill country and will need lower gears to work with, could I swap out my cassette for this purpose?...or what about the front sprocket? For example, this link is off performance bike's website. Which one would I choose?? http://www.performancebike.com/shop/sub_cat.cfm?subcategory_id=5133

Jeremy

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Triguy98 posted 2 years ago.

Switching cassettes for something higher quality gives ya some lighter weight mostly crisper shifting. Then there is the reason of switching for gearing purposes. I dunno what kind of gearing youve got now and how well you do hills with it, so i really cant say which cassette to swap for. The larger the #'s on the cassette, the easier the hills will be, but you'll loose top end speed on the downhills and flats.

If you want to geek out and/or fry your brain, try this website:
http://www.analyticcycling.com/

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PJT posted 2 years ago.

jsoder wrote:
Why do you guys change out your cassettes? Is it because they are lighter and less durable? And is the change significant?

Also, while we are on the subject. I have seen several posts on this site talking about gear ratios. But without any reference point I can't figure out what they are talking about. Are they referrring to the cassettes you bring to a race? For example, if I'm going to do a ride in the Texas hill country and will need lower gears to work with, could I swap out my cassette for this purpose?...or what about the front sprocket? For example, this link is off performance bike's website. Which one would I choose?? http://www.performancebike.com/shop/sub_cat.cfm?subcategory_id=5133

Jeremy

Couple of reasons to change out cassettes -- weight, durability, and terrain (hills) can all be factors. For your question about the hills, there are two answers. You could get a 12-27 (12 teeth on the smallest cog, 27 on the biggest) rear cassette to give you an easier cog for the hills. Or you could keep your existing cassette and get a smaller compact crank up front. This article has a long discussion about compacts that may be helpful: http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/techctr/gearing.html

The upside of a compact is that it allows you to keep a tighter & lighter range of gears (like an 11-23) on the back and maintain similar max and min speeds as using a standard crank with a more spread out 12-27 rear cassette. This means you can fine tune your shifting more while still able to climb easily in the hills.

The article doesn't really address the downsides of a compact crank--cost and ease of setup. Changing a rear cassette is relatively simple and cheaper than using a compact.