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soccerbum posted 2 years ago.
This is great... Everyday after my workout I always do three things.
1. Log my training
2. Update my training Blog
3. Check in on Trifuel :)
I used to use a homemade excel spreadsheet, but its great being able to update my training data from any computer...
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Tribro posted 2 years ago.
Cool. Ya, I've gotten hooked on it as well. I never really kept a training log before this one. Found some to be too intensive, too much filling of forms. But now as soon as I get back from a workout I sit down and plug in my time and distance.
I think I like it because it's just quick and easy and I like watching my total numbers grow and my goals numbers getting closer to completion :)
Wow, I just re-read that and it sounds like a late night infomercial to quit smoking or buy doggy steps. :D YOU CAN DO IT!!!!
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JamieM posted 2 years ago.
It's been great. I've always meant to keep a log, just never got around to it before. With this one I can keep it as simple or as detailed as I want. Really nice tool to have.
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sldotter posted 2 years ago.
I really love the pace line and to see it dropping!! I have never been able to visualize it this way which is great. I like it keeping track of my total hours working out as well.
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gohokiesgo94 posted 2 years ago.
Comparing my skills as a triathlete against my skills at the computer make me a pro triathlete :D so please excuse the elementary-ness, but right now I have my power to weight "sport" set up in terms of 1 mile = 1 workout, so every time I do any power to weight work, I just put in 1 mile and describe the actual workout in the comments...how can I do this in a more sophisticated or even just proper way? Thanks in advance!
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rcortesi posted 2 years ago.
hmmm,
I'm not sure what you mean by "power to weight work". Is that weight lifting?
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gohokiesgo94 posted 2 years ago.
I just use power to weight as a general term for any workout that isn't swim, bike or run that might increase my power to (body) weight ratio...for me this includes weightlifting, core workouts, racquetball, and yoga (if I ever do that again) and I'm not sure how to properly log this. Thanks for the inquiry!
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kylie posted 2 years ago.
I'm going through and putting a ton of activities in, and love almost all of it ;) Only part I'd like to see different is elevation info. Almost all my biking/running is done on loops, so there is a net elevation of 0. However, some have me climbing a lot, and some not at all. I'd love to see fields for elevation gain and loss (and then net could even be calculated off those if they were entered). As it is, I've been using the net field to just record my gain since I'll hopefully remember that is what I decided to use it as (and yes, I comment this as well, but would like to see elevation in the table view of the log).
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rcortesi posted 2 years ago.
gohokiesgo94 wrote:
I just use power to weight as a general term for any workout that isn't swim, bike or run that might increase my power to (body) weight ratio...for me this includes weightlifting, core workouts, racquetball, and yoga (if I ever do that again) and I'm not sure how to properly log this. Thanks for the inquiry!
Oh ok. I have a misc sport for those sorts of workouts. The log is mainly based off of time, so as long as you are entering the duration for the sport then it will appear on the various summary plots/tables. For weightlifting and others that don't really have a distance you can (if you want) just leave the distance field blank. Then just make liberal use of the remarks field.
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rcortesi posted 2 years ago.
kyillee wrote:
Only part I'd like to see different is elevation info. Almost all my biking/running is done on loops, so there is a net elevation of 0. However, some have me climbing a lot, and some not at all. I'd love to see fields for elevation gain and loss (and then net could even be calculated off those if they were entered). As it is, I've been using the net field to just record my gain since I'll hopefully remember that is what I decided to use it as (and yes, I comment this as well, but would like to see elevation in the table view of the log).
If you enter values for delta elevation or altitude then they appear in the "other" column of the table view of the log.
I thought about adding different fields for elevation gain and drop... and you are right, I think most people run loops (home to home office to office, etc) a lot. So for all these cases delta elev is not that useful. I too have been using delta elevation to mean gain. So maybe I should just change the label from "delta elevation" to "elevation gain"?
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kylie posted 2 years ago.
rcortesi wrote:
If you enter values for delta elevation or altitude then they appear in the "other" column of the table view of the log.I thought about adding different fields for elevation gain and drop... and you are right, I think most people run loops (home to home office to office, etc) a lot. So for all these cases delta elev is not that useful. I too have been using delta elevation to mean gain. So maybe I should just change the label from "delta elevation" to "elevation gain"?
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I don't know about changing it... I'm sure some people use it to mean change (sometimes I do, if it's not a loop ride). Would it be hard to just have both options? I would use different ones depending on the workout.
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rcortesi posted 2 years ago.
kyillee wrote:
Would it be hard to just have both options? I would use different ones depending on the workout.
It would not be hard to add other field. The problem is that that form already has a ton of fields. I'm just trying to think out if there is a more elegant way of encapsulating the data...
Do you ever find yourself wanting to log both the gain in elevation and the net change at the same time? Or is it more of an either or thing?
Or if we are going to fix it anyway would it make more sence to let people log elevation gain and drop and not worry about the delta.
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Tribro posted 2 years ago.
I'm not sure I follow this one, a bit confused. I use for net gain, total climbing and I don't worry about total descending as it's usually always the same as the gain. i.e. it always zero's out if you end where you start, yes? so you're thinking a total gain field that might be 2,000 and a total loss field that would be 2,000 - assuming the loops?
I guess I don't follow the reason for tracking both to calculate the net gain or net change. Net change would be "0" and total gain would be 2,000? Can you supply some examples of how this might work and what the reports might look like that you'd like to see from the additional fields?
I wouldn't want to add more fields and make the log more complex. I really like it;s simplicity and would want to be sure any additional fields/features are utilized by the majority of the group.
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kylie posted 2 years ago.
Basically, right now there is only a field for delta (triangle thing) elevation, which is the change in elevation. The problem being that if you do a loop that will be zero if you do 3500 ft of climbing, and 0 if you do 10 feet of climbing. For my records, it's often more important to know the pure climbing than the change, as most of my workouts (as are those for most people) loops.
However, if it's not a loop, the net can matter. If I do a 30 mile bike ride that isn't a loop, and it has 1000 ft of elevation difference, that means more than a 30 mile bike that is a loop and has 1000 ft of climbing, simply because in the loop version I also get the downhill sections.
I find that I either want to log one or the other, but I can see where people would want both. For example, if I do a ride that is not a loop, and has 500 ft delta elevation, I'd want that recorded, as I didn't get the downhills for 500ft of the climbing I did. However, if in that ride I also did 2500 ft of climbing, I'd also want that marked (even though I got 2000 ft of downhill to go with it). Perhaps the easiest way would be a net gain and a net loss box, and set it so that leaving one empty would just give it the negation of the value in the other (effectively mimicing a loop route)?
I don't think the case of wanting both would be too common though (I do know I would most likely use it on all my bike commute activities). So perhaps a way to do it would be to have just the one field but a check button that allows you to pick either gain or net? And then if both were wanted you would just do the one you wanted in the comments in that field, and put the other in notes?
Only issue i have with changing the meaning of a field (as opposed to adding one) is that it means for any old records a user has to go back in and update all their activities (unless you update the database as you do the change, but that doesn't always quite work since as we have discussed people are already using that field for different things).
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rcortesi posted 2 years ago.
If it is to be changed i have thought of two options for changing it. They are displayed here:
http://rogercortesi.com/misc/test1_new.html
Yes the page is formatted a little different but you can get the idea.
Option A: just gives the user the option of specifying the meaning of the evelation field. This has the advantage of not changing the meaning of any past data.
Option B: Have fields for elevation gain and drop. Advantage: this more accurately describes the terrain and the meaning of the fields never changes. The down side is this changes the meaning of previously entered data. But if this is a better way, it is better to make the change now rather than later...
A lot of discussion for a small detail Kyillee... but it had been bugging me too. ;)
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kylie posted 2 years ago.
Wow it's a tough one. I like the UI of option A (dunno, it just feels right) but at the same time I think option B does a better job storing the info. I would vote for option B. However, to make life easier for loop rides, would there be a way for the default value of down to be the same as the value entered for up if only one box was filled in? Basically to save having to type the same thing twice.
*grin* A small detail, but still an important one... I know I can tell the difference in my 50 mile loop ride when it is 0 net with 2500 ft gain, and when it is 0 net and 25 ft of gain ;) Also, it just means the rest of the log works is intuitive, with a clean workflow, and well that there is nothing else to discuss! :D
(oh, and I probably see it since I've spent the last bazillion years working on UI for entering XML data...)
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Tribro posted 2 years ago.
Hmmm. I was actually leaning toward option B as well. In just adding a loss field. But now, in reading Kyillee example, it seems the field would be redundant if 90% of the time it would just be populated with same number as the gain field (assuming most people ride loops, or most people only track elevation gain). I think in Loop example provided of 50 miles with 25gain vs. 2500gain option A would (selecting gain) would easier than typing in 25 & 25.
I don't think defaulting a value in an empty field is a good idea. Most blank fields are filed blank or "0". We'd have to make it really clear that leaving blank would populate with the gain number and that if they really don't want to track loss or there is no loss, then they must type "0".
I think it makes sense to use "A" and default to "gain", and in the rare case when not doing a loop route they have to option of entering delta, although I think most would still use gain. Maybe let them set the default for the field in the profile, then the numbers already inputed in the DB would be fine.
I'm just having a hard time justifying adding another field for the rare case of not doing loop and not wanting to track the gain, but the net instead. I can't envision how the data looks in graphs? If it shows up in graphs? You'd only use the gain yes? If you used the loss as well, it would just be a flat line? yes?
So if the purpose is to determine if the route itself had more gain than loss why not just track in the entry notes or the route definition. In the route creation there is just one elevation field, I use for gain. What would we do there?
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Iankeane posted 2 years ago.
Hi Guys,
Thanks for making the log available, previously i have been using a clunky Excel spreadsheet, this log is much more powerful,
I have one query, would it be possible as time goes on to create an option to change the format of dates - from US style to UK ?.
(i enter my workout then wonder why it doesnt appear in the graph!).
Thanks for a great tool!
Rgds
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kylie posted 2 years ago.
I do the same thing, even though I'm in the US (I don't think year-month-day is the standard here either, but I don't think we really have one). It would be cool if you could pick your date formating in your profile (although I know it's just one more thing to have to maintain...).
Personally I'd love to see where you could just type in the month, day, and year, or just the day, and it would then use current year and month, or just the day and month, and it would use the current year.
As a side note... Roger, what is the log written in? I know I bring up lots of random stuff on here, and I'd be happy to help with it if it was something I could help with and you needed or wanted it :)
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Tribro posted 2 years ago.
I just leave blank and it auto inserts the current date and time. I do run into the same issue sometimes when I forget to log for the day and have to enter one from a previous day.
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rcortesi posted 2 years ago.
kyillee wrote:
I do the same thing, even though I'm in the US (I don't think year-month-day is the standard here either, but I don't think we really have one). It would be cool if you could pick your date formating in your profile (although I know it's just one more thing to have to maintain...).Personally I'd love to see where you could just type in the month, day, and year, or just the day, and it would then use current year and month, or just the day and month, and it would use the current year.
As a side note... Roger, what is the log written in? I know I bring up lots of random stuff on here, and I'd be happy to help with it if it was something I could help with and you needed or wanted it :)
ah the date question....
you can enter the date and time in almost any format. As you have noticed it is converted to yyyy-mm-dd You can also enter things like "yesterday", "tomorrow", or "-4 days" and it will figure out the correct date.
the only glitch is as you have discovered is that it assumeds xx/xx/xx is mm/dd/yy which can produce some unexpected dates.
The log is writen in php with MySQL providing the db services
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rcortesi posted 2 years ago.
of course if you want to enter the date in day month year then enter it as...
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rcortesi posted 2 years ago.
Well after staring at the elevation options for a while. I think I like the completeness of the B option better. The elevation and altitude at this point are purely cosmetic. They are not used in plotting, nor is any anaylsis done with them.
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kylie posted 2 years ago.
oooh good to know on the date!
And sounds good on the elevation (really, any option would do the job :))
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Ben L. posted 2 years ago.
I've just found your training log system, and it looks good. Excellent work!
Of course I have a question/suggestion though. How can I use a "route" as a lap entry, other than by manually multiplying the route's distance by the number of laps?
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rcortesi posted 2 years ago.
Ben L. wrote:
Of course I have a question/suggestion though. How can I use a "route" as a lap entry, other than by manually multiplying the route's distance by the number of laps?
The only way to do that is manually. If the loops are a reasonable length, then I would define a different route for each number of loops you typically do on the route ( "1 lap around the park", "2 laps around the park", etc.)
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Ben L. posted 2 years ago.
rcortesi wrote:
The only way to do that is manually. If the loops are a reasonable length, then I would define a different route for each number of loops you typically do on the route ( "1 lap around the park", "2 laps around the park", etc.)
Thanks for the quick reply! I'm using the "mental arithmetic" method now, but it would be so nice to implement the concept of laps...
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rcortesi posted 2 years ago.
Ben L. wrote:
Thanks for the quick reply! I'm using the "mental arithmetic" method now, but it would be so nice to implement the concept of laps...
Can you explain what you would want the lap feature to do? I'm still not clear on that.
If you want to see how your pace varied over the course of your workout you can use the plot feature the remarks. Assuming you pressed the lap botton on your watch every lap or mile. You can enter that data in the remarks
For example here is my pace for each mile in the marine corps marathon this past year.
If you copy and paste the following (include the -plot- tags) into the remarks section of the an entry (sport or keyword) you will get a plot associated with that entry.
-plot-
Pace vs Mile; Mile Number; Pace [min per mile];
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1,9.48; 2,8.37; 3,8.02; 4,7.47; 5,7.55; 6,7.73; 7,7.9; 8,7.7; 9,7.9;
10,7.9; 11,7.78; 12,7.87; 13,8.07; 14,7.85; 15,8.28; 16,8.1; 17,8.38;
18,8.51; 19,8.4; 20,8.68; 21,8.5; 22,8.88; 23,8.78; 24,9.11; 25,8.68;
26,8.75;26.2,10.43;
-plot-
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rcortesi posted 2 years ago.
Another way I use routes is to designate a particular distance (not just a particular location).
For example I have routes defined that are:
Marathon
Half Marathon
1.5 Mile PRT
1000m
So when I do workouts that use these distances I use the route (no matter where they are). This lets me filter the data in useful ways. For example, I can generate a single pcae plot showing only my marathon paces. Or view only the log entries associated with all my marathons.
Just throwing this one out there.
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Ben L. posted 2 years ago.
That plot function is neat. You've got a lot of groovy features!
My interest in "laps" is for a workout that may be a varying number of circuits of a particular course. My last ride happened to be five laps of a 6.3 km course. It seems inelegant to have to special-case each variation.
Being able to enter a lap time, like your "plot" function uses would be interesting, but the plot function in the remarks is good.
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corkfeeninpr posted 2 years ago.
Just started using the training log, very slick. I was considering doing something in excel until I discovered this.
The only thing left to do it calculate my resting HR and HR max.
Excellent job, you guys are inspirational to anybody starting in this sport and with enthusiasm like this, the sport will only grow more.
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effectivepull posted 2 years ago.
How do I edit a run entry once it is created? I input a run, but failed to put my running shoe as a keyword to track shoe mileage.
Thanks!
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Tribro posted 2 years ago.
you should be able to just view that entries page and make any edits. on the main log page there should be an edit link next to the entry that'll take you back to that entry page.
Just starting a section for asking questions about the training log, or sharing how you've been using it.