basic freestyle form question
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geochuck posted 2 years ago.
Keep the spine strait. I believe the shoulder should just brush the ear, you do not want to fish tail (Side to side action) rolling OK but again keep the spine strait. When I watch swimstrokes with my stroke analysis progam I can slow it down and see the swimmers snaking through the water, feet on one side body on other side and arms on the same side as the legs. Instead of looking like an arrow it is a big curve.
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deepbluex posted 2 years ago.
Thanks! I think I am overemphasizing the forward arm reach and my shoulder goes way farther than just brush up by my ear. Most of my shoulder ends up in front of my ear. I can keep the spine straight with a shorter reach.
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geochuck posted 2 years ago.
Here is how bad we can swim this fellow is doing everything wrong. He has 3 videos taken approx 1 year apart, I do not see any improvement, or very little. http://isjaw.blogspot.com/2006/02/my-evolving-freestyle.html
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donegal1 posted 2 years ago.
geochuck wrote:
Here is how bad we can swim this fellow is doing everything wrong. He has 3 videos taken approx 1 year apart, I do not see any improvement, or very little. http://isjaw.blogspot.com/2006/02/my-evolving-freestyle.html
Wow ... that video is scary. :eek:
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edubb posted 2 years ago.
Hey Geochuck , what did you mean by your comments on that video when you said that he was swimming "all catchup". Ive seen this term before and never really knew what it meant.
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geochuck posted 2 years ago.
His left hand comes over and touches his right hand before the right hand starts the pull phase. It means one hand catches up to the other. The swimmer did this with every stroke, It was a common drill in 1952 and is still used now. It was the start of front quadrant swimming.
Here is how they explain it at swimfit.
Catchup is when you swim frontcrawl one arm at a time. Start by pulling with the right arm, and keep the left arm stretched out in front while you complete a full arm pull and recovery with the right. When the right arm 'catches up' with the left , then you make a full arm pull just using the left arm while keeping your right arm stretched out in front. When the left arm has completed its pull and recovery and your left hand reaches forward to touch the right hand, you start again.
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RV posted 2 years ago.
That is a long time swimming without much improvement - Looks like the TI definition of struggle in the water.
Makes me think that I need to get myself video taped to actually "see" how I am swimming.
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geochuck posted 2 years ago.
RV it looks like he has been trying TI re the dvd, but you must have the stroke viewed by someone who knows swimming, I would have given him more help, in fact he is going send some to me for video analysis, soon.
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Blackdove posted 2 years ago.
geochuck wrote:
His left hand comes over and touches his right hand before the right hand starts the pull phase. It means one hand catches up to the other. The swimmer did this with every stroke, It was a common drill in 1952 and is still used now. It was the start of front quadrant swimming.
Hi George! Maybe the video isn't clear enough, but my hands actually do not touch - left to right or otherwise. :)
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Blackdove posted 2 years ago.
RV wrote:
That is a long time swimming without much improvement - Looks like the TI definition of struggle in the water.
Makes me think that I need to get myself video taped to actually "see" how I am swimming.
Good idea, RV! You may be surprised by what you'll see.
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geochuck posted 2 years ago.
It does not necessarily touch but it is not getting to the catch soon enough, it appears that the right hand does not start to go to the catch until the left hand enters the water. Also notice the left hand on many strokes starts the recovery action too soon, not every time about half the time.
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deepbluex posted 2 years ago.
I see what you are saying geochuck. If this swim stroke was a pedal stroke on the bike, it would be almost as if you paused at the 6'oclock/12 o'clock position for 1/2 a second every time instead of cycling smoothly in a continuous motion resulting in a herky-jerky stop-go-stop-go motion which is inefficient as it constantly loses momentum.
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geochuck posted 2 years ago.
Black dove has a new video up of his stroke I can see his improvement. When he pulls his right arm his elbow drops which means he is actually pushing the water in the wrong direction, it actually pushes him in the wrong direction. http://isjaw.blogspot.com
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geochuck posted 2 years ago.
Critique my stroke
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reflux posted 2 years ago.
geochuck wrote:
Critique my stroke
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You look very relaxed. Elbows are high as your arms start recovery. The pull looks to start just as your recovery arm passes by your ear (is that right?). Nice rhythym(sp?).
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geochuck posted 2 years ago.
The total time for the 50m is 38 seconds which is the whole swim stand up and start again. The actual time from the time feet leave the wall is 16 seconds for each 25m.
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deepbluex posted 2 years ago.
geochuck wrote:
The total time for the 50m is 38 seconds which is the whole swim stand up and start again. The actual time from the time feet leave the wall is 16 seconds for each 25m.
wow, that is remarkable.
You look incredibly at ease. I'd almost accuse you of being dragged by a cable underwater. My fastest 25yrd is 21 sec and it looks like someone dropped a Hamilton Beach blender tied to a badger in the water when I do it.
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geochuck posted 2 years ago.
This is a young lady who wants critique of her stroke. [url]http://www.zippyvideos.com/1290621284233346/free/*globuggie[/url]
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bigbuba0 posted 2 years ago.
quick thing i notice is that she lifts her head too high when she breaths. You should basically have one google out of the water, and one in the water. Another quick thing i notice is that it seems her arms swim to the side too far. A solution would be to have more arm bend and thus higher elbows. Hope that helps
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Riverbrady posted 2 years ago.
Also, her pull looks to be skipping, or going much faster in the middle, indicating that she's losing some of her cross-section pull on her arm and speeding to the end of her stroke, losing efficiency, rather than keeping a consistent strong stroke through the entire length.
I can't quite tell from the angle, but some more roll/reach may be in order. Think of if you're standing, facing a shelf, reaching up but can't quite reach something. Now turn to the side, and notice the extra bit of reach on the roll...can't tell if she's implementing that or not.
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When I reach forward with my leading arm as I am about to take my downstroke, I stretch my shoulder forward pretty far with hand pointing forward. As a result, I can feel my upper back curve a good deal in the process. Is this ok?
I have been trying to watch videos and I can't really see if there's any curving of the back (not up and down, but sideways - sort of like a snake swimming) in the footage.
I haven't found anything about having to keep the spine straight so I'm askin'...