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Do any of you guys have/use one? I have lost about 20 pounds since hitting the gym in October. I have also really gained some strength compared to what I was at but I am starting to wonder if a nutritionist would really help me?

I found a well accredited one locally, and she provides consults in person, or via the internet. I sent her an inquiry but I have no idea just what all a nutritionist can do for you. I also have no idea how expensive one is.

Can anyone clue me in on their experiences?

--Josh

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sldotter posted 2 years ago.

make sure it is a registered dietitian to ensure that are truly qualified to give advice.

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outexan posted 2 years ago.

yeah and you better not call her a nutritionist...a DIETITIAN will rip you a new one if you call them a nutritonist...

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rb85cj7 posted 2 years ago.

Just my unexpeirenced opinion but i would read Nancy Clarck's book and what ever other nutritional books you can get your hands on.

Go sit at Borders this weekend with a cup of coffe and a notebook and make notes.

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Kevo posted 2 years ago.

Monique Ryan, MS, RD
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Programs at
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I am working with Monique now. Very easy to follow and helpful with race prep and race day nutrition as well. Check her out for yourself though.

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bluebirdbiker posted 2 years ago.

Just a question for you that seek a nutritionist. Are you competing competatively, i.e., for $ or podium finishes, are you pros? Why are you seeking nutritionists? What about just reading and learning? Just curious.

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dr_rios_ec posted 2 years ago.

I agreed with BBB...
Particulary in the States a Dietitian might be expensive....but of course is aways useful.
Now...really...I personally think that part of the trainning an life changing experience is to read good literature about all the different areas in this sport
For starters you can check up the articles in this site...they are easy to understand and are a good starting point.
Just my personal thought...

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trigirl97 posted 2 years ago.

I have thought about hiring a nutritionist but then discovered an e-book that really helped me distill down the nuts and bolts of what I needed as an endurance athlete. It's called "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle," by Tom Venuto, who is a natural bodybuilder. It's been worth every penny of the $39 I spent.

Getting a handle on my day-to-day and race-day nutrition is my #1 goal this year. More specifically, I am trying to make my diet as 'clean' as possible and safely reduce my body fat to 16-18%.

I have been eating clean for a month and I've never felt better. I've lost 6 pounds and 1.5% body fat so far. The key is that I'm retaining my lean muscle, which is what I want.

Once I really sat down and decided what I wanted out of my food, I realized I didn't need a nutritionist. I instinctively knew what to eat (lean protein, frut, veggies, and complex carbs). The key was1) how to pair those together for optimum absorption and nutrition (which the e-book helped me understand); and 2) most importantly, making up my mind that I was worth more than the crap I was putting into my body.

I'd suggest you asking yourself what you really want? What does your ideal body (yours...not someone elses) look and feel like? What are your goals? (Write them down!) How will you look, feel, act when you achieve success? How do you define success?

Those are some of the questions I worked through to realize I could do this, simply by making up my mind to do so. I have struggled with food my whole life but I finally realize I truly am what I eat, and the results I get on race day are an outcome of that.

Good luck!!

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thehitman posted 2 years ago.

trigirl97 wrote:
I have thought about hiring a nutritionist but then discovered an e-book that really helped me distill down the nuts and bolts of what I needed as an endurance athlete. It's called "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle," by Tom Venuto, who is a natural bodybuilder....

There are many books out there on sports nutrition.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=br_ss_hs/103-8397452-9026236?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Dstripbooks%3Arelevance-above%26dispatch%3Dsearch%26results-process%3Dbin&field-keywords=sports+nutrition

I don't know whether or not Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle is better than any of the others, but I would think that a book specifically aimed at endurance athletes might be a better selection. Endurance Sports Nutrition by Suzanne Girard Eberle, Sports Nutrition for Endurance Athletes by Monique Ryan and Chris Carmichael's Food for Fitness by Chris Carmichael have all gotten good reviews, for example.

Best of luck in your training.

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Jmmarich posted 2 years ago.

Thanks guys. Once again, so very good information for me :)

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TriLizard posted 2 years ago.

I have to differ on looking for a dietitian. I am a nutritional consultant (soon to be a nutritionist after my CCN exam in 2 weeks). Dietitians do not have the expereince to help athletes with underlying conditions. Meaning that if you have another issue besides just sports nutrition their help may be limited. Whereas, someone like myself can help athletes with injuries, weight gain/loss, digestive disorders, autoimmune, etc. as well as the diet necessary to compete. I am a triathlete myself, and have found that my experience has helped advise other athletes not only on nutrition, but with supplementation as well.
Try not to just limit it to a dietitian. Many people are unaware of the differences. However, someone with an RD and MS and/or CCN, CNS- will be qualified.

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christri25 posted 2 years ago.

wheat grass is the only thing you need ... , just kidding, but it is a great drink.

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sldotter posted 2 years ago.

TriLizard wrote:
I have to differ on looking for a dietitian. I am a nutritional consultant (soon to be a nutritionist after my CCN exam in 2 weeks). Dietitians do not have the expereince to help athletes with underlying conditions. Meaning that if you have another issue besides just sports nutrition their help may be limited. Whereas, someone like myself can help athletes with injuries, weight gain/loss, digestive disorders, autoimmune, etc. as well as the diet necessary to compete. I am a triathlete myself, and have found that my experience has helped advise other athletes not only on nutrition, but with supplementation as well.
Try not to just limit it to a dietitian. Many people are unaware of the differences. However, someone with an RD and MS and/or CCN, CNS- will be qualified.

I am a little upset that you put down a Registered Dietitian saying that they may not be able to help people in the ways that you can. You state you are a nutritional consultant, how does that qualify you to help athletes with injuries? (as you stated above) Also how exactly is it that a RD couldn't help a person with weight gain/ or loss, digestive disorders, or autoimmune issues? I think your reasoning to choose a CCN (which you are not) versus a RD is quite absurd. It sounds to me like you are trying to get your own self some money. Anything anyone every tries to tell you where they are trying to make a profit is more than likely a LOAD! I looked at the requirements to be a CCN and there really isn't anything there that would make a CCN any better/ or even equal to a RD.

First choice should always be RD ... they are nationally recognized and in most states licensed. They are the nutrition expert no one else!

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TriLizard posted 2 years ago.

Sldotter- First of all, you need to chill. I think your bike pump is stuck up your...
There is a big difference between a nutritionist and RD. An RD is a bachelors level degree. It is great that these people are recognized by the state, but that does not mean that they specialize in helping individuals who have compromised systems. An RD is taught by the guidelines set by the ADA, which if you know help to develop the food guide pyramid. The food pyramid and dietary guidelines are developed to meet the needs of a HEALTHY individual. News flash- no one is healthy in America- not even a traithlete. Someone who has their MS, CCN and/or CNS is specialized in developing diets and recommendations for those who need more nutritional support. Dietitians are weak in knowing how to treat someone with IBS, Crohns, etc. based on the food pyramid. Dietitians are smart, don't get me wrong but they may not always be the best choice. Especially for an athlete who has any number of issues. (ex. lupus, MS, lymphoma, crohns) Just because an athlete may have a physiologic issue does not mean they can not compete.
Oh, and by the way- I am anyone but the type of person out to make money! I take pride in giving sound advise and helping my clients with any of their dietary goals. I am sorry that you have that impression, but maybe if you did some more research you would see the difference.
Hopefully, you can understand my position, and if not- keep seeing a dietitian- (ask them if they know how to reduce homocysteine levels, or better yet- a protocol for inflammation)...
Challenge this one...

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outexan posted 2 years ago.

i have a friend going to school to be a dietician and they know much more than the food pyramid. She has been taking these crazy science courses and knows more about food and how your body uses it than anyone i know. in fact no hospital will hire a dietician unless they are a RD. i would consider hospital patients "special need" when it comes to food. you need to get off of your high horse. a RD is not just a food guide expert.

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TriLizard posted 2 years ago.

Outexan,
I want you to ask your friend some simple questions...
what are some natural serotonin enhancers?
who should not eat ginger?
better yet- why would a dietitian recommend sugar free foods to a diabetic when saccharin, splenda, and nutrasweet all have a glycemic effect?

that will show u the difference- do n't tell me i am on a high horse. i just know how to do my job.

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dr_rios_ec posted 2 years ago.

Mmmmm...Trilizard...as far as I can tell Jmmarich is a healthy guy...who wants to eat smarter to perform better...that´s all....I did not read anything about lupus, or Chron´s...or something even less fancy....
So...my point..."when someone becomes a fancy hammer....looks at the world as a bunch of nails"
I think with all do respect to any Nutritionist profesional....and/or consultant....but a Dietitian would be just what our friend needs....Thank God he is healthy...

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thehitman posted 2 years ago.

TriLizard wrote:
... News flash- no one is healthy in America- not even a traithlete (sic)...

Uh, thanks for the news flash. I hadn't heard.

Could you expand on that? :confused:

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thehitman posted 2 years ago.

TriLizard,

One more thing,

Since you've brought to our attention the fact that there are different types of training for individuals who specialize in diet and nutrition, I thought I'd look into it a little. It seems that we all need to be aware of some dubious training programs.

Check out http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/nutritionist.html:

"Questionable Credentials
A Certified Clinical Nutritionist (CCN) credential is offered by the Clinical Nutrition Certification Board (CNCB), an organization founded in 1991 to provide credentialing to nutrition professionals who might not be eligible to become registered dietitians or to be certified by the American Board of Nutrition. Although some members are qualified and practice appropriately, both CNCB and its sponsoring organization (the International and American Associations of Clinical Nutrition) include promoters of highly dubious practices among their leaders.

American Health Science University offers a Certified Nutritionist (CN) credential to students who complete its six-course "distance learning program" and take an examination. Although accredited, it is closely aligned with the health-food industry and should not be regarded as trustworthy. Its president, James R. Johnston, does not appear to have a accredited doctoral degree.

The American Association of Nutritional Consultants issues a Certified Nutritional Consultant (CNC) credential to persons who take an open-book test. The CNC credential should be regarded as bogus.

The Society of Certified Nutritionists (SCN), established in 1985, includes Certified Clinical Nutritionists (CCN), Certified Nutritionists (CN), and Certified Nutrition Consultants (CNC) among its members. SCN membership should be regarded as a sign of poor judgment."

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brittda posted 2 years ago.

thehitman wrote:
TriLizard,

One more thing,

Since you've brought to our attention the fact that there are different types of training for individuals who specialize in diet and nutrition, I thought I'd look into it a little. It seems that we all need to be aware of some dubious training programs.

Check out http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/nutritionist.html:

"Questionable Credentials
A Certified Clinical Nutritionist (CCN) credential is offered by the Clinical Nutrition Certification Board (CNCB), an organization founded in 1991 to provide credentialing to nutrition professionals who might not be eligible to become registered dietitians or to be certified by the American Board of Nutrition. Although some members are qualified and practice appropriately, both CNCB and its sponsoring organization (the International and American Associations of Clinical Nutrition) include promoters of highly dubious practices among their leaders.

American Health Science University offers a Certified Nutritionist (CN) credential to students who complete its six-course "distance learning program" and take an examination. Although accredited, it is closely aligned with the health-food industry and should not be regarded as trustworthy. Its president, James R. Johnston, does not appear to have a accredited doctoral degree.

The American Association of Nutritional Consultants issues a Certified Nutritional Consultant (CNC) credential to persons who take an open-book test. The CNC credential should be regarded as bogus.

The Society of Certified Nutritionists (SCN), established in 1985, includes Certified Clinical Nutritionists (CCN), Certified Nutritionists (CN), and Certified Nutrition Consultants (CNC) among its members. SCN membership should be regarded as a sign of poor judgment."

Hitman- Thanks for the research! Good thing to know. Wouldnt it just suck to go through all that only to find out your certification is bogus?

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thehitman posted 2 years ago.

brittda wrote:
Hitman- Thanks for the research! Good thing to know. Wouldnt it just suck to go through all that only to find out your certification is bogus?

Not to cast aspersions on anyone.
But a certification or diploma for just about anything can be bought on the internet for a few bucks. Just gotta be a little wary sometimes.

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brittda posted 2 years ago.

thehitman wrote:
Not to cast aspersions on anyone.
But a certification or diploma for just about anything can be bought on the internet for a few bucks. Just gotta be a little wary sometimes.

Oh no, not at all...just good information is all :)

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sldotter posted 2 years ago.

Dietitians see more than healthy people... Have you seen any healthy people in a hospital? I think not Trilizard. Last time I checked people with crohn's, IBS, Diabetes, gestational diabetes, hypertension, gastroparesis, Ileus, small bowel obstruction, Diabetic ketoacidosis, diverticulitis and diverticulosis, kidney disease stages 1 through 6 with or without dialysis, obesity, gi bleed, anemia, Myocardial infarction, hyperlipidemia, cancer, etc... If those are healthy people that need a talking to about the food guide pyramid I sure don't want to be around. Granted these people may not be healthy but some nutrition intervention can be used to help these people. Also when it comes to physchological issues a RD or a CCN don't really have any bussiness trying to help other than the focus on nutrition. Only a combo team effort should be used with the physchiatrist and the RD for issues such as anorexia or other eating disorders.

This is not an attack on your knowledge but the idea that as people we should get reliable information from sources that we know are reliable. For nutrition information the RD is the information source because they have the education and have completed the steps to be recognized as a nutrtion expert. If, by chance, you know so much about the field then by all means go and be an RD. Sounds like to me a CCN is a short way for someone who reads some magazines on nutrition, takes a couple general nutrtion classes and then wants to be an expert.

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sldotter posted 2 years ago.

TriLizard wrote:
Outexan,
I want you to ask your friend some simple questions...
what are some natural serotonin enhancers?.

alcohol, carbohydrates

TriLizard wrote:
who should not eat ginger?

people who are pregnant with morning sickness. otherwise ginger is on the GRAS list or generally accepted as safe.

TriLizard wrote:
better yet- why would a dietitian recommend sugar free foods to a diabetic when saccharin, splenda, and nutrasweet all have a glycemic effect?

the glycemic index is based on a single food eaten compared to a control food or a standard. The glycemic index is a measurement of how quickly sugar is broken down and released into the blood stream. Foods that release a high amount of sugar into the blood stream are the ones that trigger the huge insulin response. These are the foods we want to stay away from or limit in our diet because insulin triggers your body to store fat. Foods that are considered low or moderately low on the glycemic index allow for the release of glucagon, which helps stabilize your blood sugar, promotes healthy weight loss and helps control fatigue, craving, irritability, concentration and mood.

stablized blood sugar in my opinion for a diabetic would be a good thing!

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dr_rios_ec posted 2 years ago.

sldotter wrote:
Only a combo team effort should be used

. Sounds like to me a CCN is a short way for someone who reads some magazines on nutrition, takes a couple general nutrtion classes and then wants to be an expert.

Well said my friend...Is a team effort what gives the best standard of care to our patients...Me as a American Board Certified Doctor, I always work as a team with other good health profesionals,like a dietitian, to give the best care to my patients.

"I am not afraid of the CCN who wants to make lots of money...I am terrified with the ones that want to cure everything by themselves" :eek:

By the way...HITMAN..our best researcher...thanks for that info about bogus degrees....

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TriLizard posted 2 years ago.

Wow seems like everyone wants to take hits at me. But funny- no one ever asked what education I have. You all just assumed I was just getting this certification to compliment my work experience.
Well, let me help you all out. No I do not have an RD. I received a BS and realized afterwards what I wanted to do. So I went for my Masters in Nutrition (not online either) with clinical experience and 40 credit hours.
Sldotter- I am dissapointed in you because all three of my questions were answered wrong, and this is where I take a different path than an RD. I have nothing against them as I am close friends with some. However, I could not work in a hospital because hospitals are not as attuned to holistic health as they should be. (I know this as I work closely with the local one here). I have a strong holistic basis, and work closely not only with MDs, but ND, DC, acupunturists, sensory therapists, etc.

So to answer those questions correctly-
Natural serotonin enhancers would include SAME, 5HTP, and GABA.
Ginger should not be given to individuals with gallstones.
AND
Recommending false, artificial sweeteners to diabetic patients is the easy way out to educating that individual about the right way to balance blood glucose with good carbohydrates and good proteins. I do not advocate chlorine, I mean Splenda, when there are safer alternatives such as Xylitol and Stevia. When was the last time you recommended replacing couscous with quinoa?? or "whole wheat" bread with sprouted grain bread....

That is where my views differ from yours. I teach nutrition, but I teach it in a natural, healthy approach. Why put fruits and vegetables sprayed with pesticides in your mouth when there is organic??

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dr_rios_ec posted 2 years ago.

TriLizard wrote:
Wow seems like everyone wants to take hits at me. But funny- no one ever asked what education I have. You all just assumed I was just getting this certification to compliment my work experience.
Well, let me help you all out. No I do not have an RD. I received a BS and realized afterwards what I wanted to do. So I went for my Masters in Nutrition (not online either) with clinical experience and 40 credit hours.

As far as my concern...I have no doubts that you are a well prepared profesional and I can notice that you must be good at what you do...passionate, no discrespect at all from my side.
But my point is that there is no need to say who might be better or worse....
But as sldotter already wrote...is better to think of team work than think that there is only one owner of the truth....don´t you think, my friend? Besides that is the reason why we hang out here-->To Share and learn from one another ;)

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outexan wrote:
yeah and you better not call her a nutritionist...a DIETITIAN will rip you a new one if you call them a nutritonist...

My strong responses have stemmed from an original statement. I do believe in working as a team, but just RDs should not feel insulted to be called a nutritionist. As long as they know what they are doing, and enjoy it too. There should be no harm done.

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Now I got it....

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sldotter posted 2 years ago.

Look it up yourself

natural serotonin : http://www.nattc.org/asme/details.asp?ID=0006a

ginger: go to edit in the top menu on the page and find on page type in Ginger. http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/advocacy_adar1002b_ENU_HTML.htm

nonnutritive sweetners: take a look for yourself. Be careful with all those sugar alcohols might end up on the craper instead of being able to go out and train.
http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/advocacy_adap0598_ENU_HTML.htm

Not that your answers are not right as well ... but the ones that I provided are not wrong!
Often in diabetes education you have to reach a common ground that is achievable by your client. Most, not all, people aren't willing to sacrifice things in their life which are important to them. For some people Food is their thing. Some aren't willing to quit drinking soda for example. So getting people to change from regular soda to a diet soda is a better choice. In some cases you have to learn to choose between things where you might not agree in both choices.

Most people don't have a clue about natrual food products offered and in most cities natural and organic products are not available anyway. Also many people who are affected by "nutrtional diseases" can't afford these products. I get the feeling that you are so intangled with this natural philosophy that you may be loosing sight of what people really need, a successful LIFESTYLE change. Things that they can follow forever. If you tell a person with diabetes who drinks regular soda at every meal to never have one again they will never be compliant.

By the way jelly beans with sugar alcohols make you have to go to the bathroom in a hurry so be careful!

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i'm going to leave the room because this pissing match is getting my feet wet...

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TriLizard wrote:
My strong responses have stemmed from an original statement. I do believe in working as a team, but just RDs should not feel insulted to be called a nutritionist. As long as they know what they are doing, and enjoy it too. There should be no harm done.

I think the issue was your initial response which in all fairness came across as a bit arrogant and degrading to a "nutritionist". As if this approach was wrong. This of course was probably due to the fact that posting in no way mimics actual conversation. If you had been speaking rather than writing, I am sure this would not have been the case (at least in my opinion...not that it matters)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a hollistic approach. I prefer it myself. Everyone wants to think that thier knowledge, opinions and ways of doing things is valid. As long as everyone recognizes this and validates eachothers opinions that's fine.
Its like the whole Physical Therapist vs Chiropracter viewpoint :)