HR and base training question.....
Yes, getting a HR monitor will be useful. During base period, almost all of your swim, bike, and run workouts should be done at a VERY low intensity.
Ken
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OK thanks, I had another quick question. Would it be wise to do any sort of intense workout during my base training. I really like to do pushups, pullups, jump rope and hit the bag every now and then. If I did say a 30 min boxing workout twice a week would that hurt my tri training? THanks again.
Cameron
I am not a coach but this is my understanding-
The base training that people are doing on their bike/running/pool so forth is a ‘respiratory’ workout. If you go above your aerobic threshold heart rate during these types of workouts for long periods of time you will affect your base building. For example, my AT is 154 beats/min on the bike. I try to stay at or under my AT as much as possible during my rides in the off season. However, I will still go for a hard ride or spin once every 10 days or so but I don’t count it towards my base building time. I don’t know the recommend percentage of how much time your need to stay below AT during base building but I don’t think 30 mins over AT twice a week would hinder any foundation building.
Lifting, push-ups, and pull-ups are ‘muscularly’ workouts not ‘respiratory’ and you will definitely benefit from doing these types of workouts in the off season.
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OK great, thanks a lot!
buying a heart rate monitor, and getting on a program based on heart rate will be the best money you could spend on equipment. Take a look at Joel Friel cyclist's bible or Chris Carmichael's books on training to learn how to figure your appropriate HR for different workouts.
Thanks, I just got my new HR monitor in and can't wait to put it to use.
what is the negative consequence of going above the intensity level while base training?
what is the negative consequence of going above the intensity level while base training?
Your muscle fibers won't have enough mitocondriae and you won't be able to endure enough during a lot of time because your heart will fastly reach your AT, that's what I think.
I try to ride below 155 and run below 155 also when building my base, which is what I am doing now!
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Here is something you all should look at and read. AeT training in Zone 1 (Friel) is not the best. Read it. It's good. We must push the aerobic threshold to anerobic but STAY aerobic.
Firel says:
The optimal way to train any physiological system is to create and frequently repeat a stress that precisely targets the system. When it comes to the aerobic system that target is the aerobic threshold (AeT). When training at the aerobic threshold, all of the key aerobic systems are stressed and the stress can be maintained for relatively long periods of time just as one must be able to do in an endurance race.
http://active.com/story.cfm?story_id=12685&sidebar=26&category=triathlon
Cardiac drift at a certain HR for a duration of time I find, during running, is one of the best ways to tell over time if you're making any progress over a set distance apart from track tests.
Friel identifies it and says this:
Essentially, when an athlete is in good aerobic condition his or her heart rate and power or pace will stay closely coupled at aerobic efforts....... If power or pace drops off relative to heart rate, or if heart rate rises relative to steady power.........or pace the athlete is said to be aerobically decoupling. If this is greater than one percent shift, then more aerobic training is necessary.
For long distances what we want is to increase our lactate threshold (LT) so that we can go at a higher HR longer (i.e., for 1/2IMs and IMs) staying aerobic, but at a higher HR. The best way to do this is with time intervals using the above Friel article info in that work to increase LT is best when we spend interval time (lengths of higher HR sessions) right near the LT but still staying aerobic (http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=1040) i.e., just sub LT.
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BBB - That is a great article. I really like the simple equation Friel uses to assess the development of your base.
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I know, once I saw that I said, why the he** can't somebody simplify things so well elsewhere. Always WAY too much extra stuff added in. This really makes things sweet and to the point.
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I wish he added his thoughts on occasionally going over AeT during base building. I have seen under 7% and under 3% but there was no explanation to how they got to those numbers in the articles I read. I have also been told that you can have a separate workout about every 10 days that can be over AeT (like a spin class). I would like to learn more about goin over AeT during base building.
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From what I understand going LT once per week is good, even in base to improve the LT threshold. Like other times of the year this can be a benefit. But, the way I get it is that you should be training 95% of the time just below the LT to get the max. out of the lactate curve shown in (http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=1040) (Fig. 2), if you can figure out your LT for sure to lengthen that LT line (in blue) before it goes red. The HRmax and the 80-85% rule is a pretty good indicator of most peoples LT threshold. I find that I get a stronger burn in the quads at that % (80-85%) and know I am either at or close to the LT. For e.g., if your HRmax on the bike is say 185bpm then I guess we should be below 157bpm (85%) to stay at the top of the aerobic scale; when riding to get the max. benefit we should also be riding as close to this level as long as possible if we can maintain it to get the most from the session. If not then it might be a good idea to do several long sets (intervals) to this level as well during the base period and say only once a week for a short duration go above it to say 160+bpm kinda thing. The way I get it is that frequency for workouts (more the better) and consistencey for these higher aerobic spikes is critical to get the most benefit during base, or any other time for that matter; workouts should be done regulary is my understanding. Correct me anyone if I am wrong in my interpretation pls.
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I'll definitely try and keep a log of it.
A whole lot of misconceptions is going around in the triathlon comunity. let me try to eliminate one here:
Cardiac drift is primarily related to loss of blood volume caused by sweating. If you exercise at a steady state power output that is within your aerobic capacity, your heart rate should also reach a steady state within 5 minuts. Thereafter there will be a slow gradual rise in heart rate, it could be 10-15 bpm during an hours workout. As the cardiac drift is related to sweating, it will be less if you drink and more if you exercise in hot enviroment.
I can't see how this should relate to how well your base training is done.
A better way to examine, if your training is giving progress, is to see if you are able to exercise at a higher intensity for a given heart rate, or at a lower heart rate for a given intensity.
I have elsewhere in this forum given my opinion on intensity during base perion. http://www.trifuel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3740

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Hi, I am fairly new to the sport, and had a question about base training. From some articles I have read it sounds like I should be training and building my base before race season begins. I see that workouts are aerobic or anaerobic. I'm guessing anaerobic is above your max HR or something? Anyway, I am thinking about getting a HR monitor and just wanted to make sure it would be useful before I dish out the cash. I want to use it to monitor my HR and make sure I don't overtrain and burn out before the season even begins. Thanks.