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started by outexan on December 27, 2005

I have been training for triathlons for over a year now. I watch what i eat very carefully and i never miss a workout. i am getting very frustrated because no matter how hard i try, i can never get a flat, hard stomach. i want a six pack but cant seem to get rid of the fat deposits there. any ideas? i have tried every ab workout i can find and nothing seems to help. any suggestions would be much appreicated!

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gjpure posted 2 years ago.

Try crunches.

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bigdogtwo posted 2 years ago.

Doing ab exercises may give you a six pack - but you will never see them if you don't get rid of the fat on your abs. Unfortunately, you cannot pinpoint where you lose fat. So, doing a ton of abs will not cause your belly fat to disappear (except to the extent that you are burning calories by doing ab exercises).

In order to lose the belly fat you just need to lose weight by expending more calories than you consume (easier said than done). Realize that the last 10 pounds is the hardest to lose. Consider using a program like fitday.com (its free) to track your calories consumed and expended (note that if you use fitday you need to enter in sleeping as activity to have an accurate count of calories burned).

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Triguy98 posted 2 years ago.

The secret to a six pack is not just doing exercises, its having a great plan, much like racing. I do my core workout 4 days a week before going to work. Check out the great attatchment recently posted by Kona with the core workout. Dont do it everyday, and dont do it just once a week, find the median that works for you.

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thehitman posted 2 years ago.

bigdogtwo's got it right.

You can do ab exercises from now until forever, and if you've got a layer of fat on your abdomen, no one's ever going to see your six pack. Expend more calories than you consume, and you'll eventually lose that jelly belly.

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jmchina posted 2 years ago.

Another key is being consistant in your aerobic workouts. If you are consistant your metabolism will increase and naturally burn more of the fats that are hiding your abs.

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dr_rios_ec posted 2 years ago.

The Fat factor is the key...
I mean, in some text books, they say that a person with more than 12% of body fat will never get the chance to see the famous six pack....
No matter how many thousands of crunches, maybe two times a day...you will have to get rid of the extra fat before....that is the first part of the plan...there are plenty calculators on the web...a good number are for free...they are good aids.
The second as Triguy98 said is having a great plan...like for a race...
That means that you don´t have to train your abs avery single day...like some people do...that will leave your muscles tired, exhausted, and maybe even looking softer....
Trainning 3 or 4 times a week for me gave me the best results...but also there is a little twist in the routine...."The Core" is not only the abs....is more than that...obliques...and the whole group of muscles that are closer to your back...
Take a look of Kona_expat´s routine...is hard and perfectly structured....check her blog and there is pic of her midsection....it is really a master piece....
A here is my two cents for the routine: Woodchoppers!...in any variant...they work all the core..and also have some aerobic impact helping you to burn a little bit more calories
and remember...don´t give up

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TBRAVO posted 2 years ago.

Outexan.
Having a six pack is more about % body fat than anything else.
You can do a million crunches a day but it won't help if you have a high % of body fat. I used to be into bodybuilding. Normally males have to get down to about 12% body fat before you will see a 6-pack, some even lower depending on where you carry your fat. I might start an argument here, but IMO having a 6-pack and training for triathlons are not necessarily complimentary activities.
Typically triathletes = lots of calories (high carbs & medium protein).
Typically bodybuilders (especially close to contest time) = lots of calories (high protein, low low carbs). There are exceptions; some people are just naturally lean and muscular. Don't ask those people how they got a six pack because they are just genetically gifted, ask the people who used to be fat but now have abs.
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slareman posted 2 years ago.

I agree with Tbravo. I have a single-digit body fat percentage and a very flat stomach (maybe even a slight 2-pack), but definitely not the full complement of ripped abs.

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beads1985 posted 2 years ago.

I have gotten down to 8% and I couldn't see a six pack.
My fat stores around my waist so I still see slight love handles.

I can feel the abs underneath but just can't see them.
I am at 10% now.

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Triguy98 posted 2 years ago.

When i ran high school track and XC, i had single digit body fat (hovered between 6 and 9) did lots of ab stuff at track practice, in the weight room, and at karate. Result? A hard stomach, but no ripped six pack. It was more like a barrel. Now, I've got maybe 15% BFR and a better looking stomach (not quite totally lean yet, but its not the two strips of long muscle that it was, it actually has packs!)

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donegal1 posted 2 years ago.

Pretty sure it's 18% body fat for women and 12 or 13 for men before the abs start to show.

Just my 2 cents.

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Anton posted 2 years ago.

Get new parents... I have read in a number of place that the ability to have the perfect six pack in genetic. Some folks can have em,some can't. Everyone, however, can have a really strong core...that is most important. If the six shows up ..great. If a really hard, flat one pack arrives...thats great too.

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CAcyclingFAN posted 2 years ago.

And then there's lipo..... :eek:

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beads1985 posted 2 years ago.

Anton wrote:
Get new parents... I have read in a number of place that the ability to have the perfect six pack in genetic. Some folks can have em,some can't. Everyone, however, can have a really strong core...that is most important. If the six shows up ..great. If a really hard, flat one pack arrives...thats great too.

I have strong core and you can see my six pack now,....
When you open my fridge (Sam Adams Winter Lager)
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dr_rios_ec posted 2 years ago.

mmmm...talking about those packs....
Sam Adams Winter larger always looks good!!!
My choice..................Rolling Rock

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Tikal Dog posted 2 years ago.

beads1985 wrote:
I have gotten down to 8% and I couldn't see a six pack.
My fat stores around my waist so I still see slight love handles.

I can feel the abs underneath but just can't see them.
I am at 10% now.

Beads it depends a lot on how you are measuring your body fat %.

I have at home a very simple Tanita monitor and latter tried a more sofisticated one on the % was VERY different.

I am not trying to discorage you but....maybe you really are not at 10%

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beads1985 posted 2 years ago.

Tikal Dog wrote:
Beads it depends a lot on how you are measuring your body fat %.

I have at home a very simple Tanita monitor and latter tried a more sofisticated one on the % was VERY different.

I am not trying to discorage you but....maybe you really are not at 10%

I am using a Tanita scale/body fat monitor.
I got checked at my doctor and the percentage was pretty close.

I know it is a little off.
I am not so concerned about having the 6 pack I am just glad I am in a reasonable weight range.

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Tikal Dog posted 2 years ago.

So you have a good one!!!

The one I have now drives me crazy sometimes.

I want to buy the Tanita Ironman BCC-554 but I am still doing my research on it. :rolleyes:

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beads1985 posted 2 years ago.

Tikal Dog wrote:
So you have a good one!!!

The one I have now drives me crazy sometimes.

I want to buy the Tanita Ironman BCC-554 but I am still doing my research on it. :rolleyes:


I also make sure I keep the scale clean and weigh myself at the same time of the day.
I usually check in the morning after I wake up and go to the bathroom.

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JohnieTri posted 2 years ago.

Just my 2 cents:
1) Alot of time those with single digit BF% who do not have the visual six-pack proably are relying on crunches, ball exercises, etc. with little regard to exercises in which weights are involved. The abs are muscles just like any other muscles. If you want them try some exercise in which weight(other than body weight) is being used. I believe that I remember from school(B.S. Exercise Science) and some other training articles that your ab routine should consist of about 1/3 of the exercises being weight bearing for the best results(visually).
2) On the other hand, having well developed, or over developed abs could possibly restrict your breathing while performing aerobic exercises(i.e. endurance training, etc.) This is very important to us triathletes. By the way this is the excuse I use for not having a six-pack! He he.
3) As mentioned earlier, DIET and water. Could be just a little extra water weight causing the softness or lack of abs. We do take in a lot of water and sodium rich fluids throughout training. But then again just my 2 cents.

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beads1985 posted 2 years ago.

JohnieTri wrote:
Just my 2 cents:
1) Alot of time those with single digit BF% who do not have the visual six-pack proably are relying on crunches, ball exercises, etc. with little regard to exercises in which weights are involved. The abs are muscles just like any other muscles. If you want them try some exercise in which weight(other than body weight) is being used. I believe that I remember from school(B.S. Exercise Science) and some other training articles that your ab routine should consist of about 1/3 of the exercises being weight bearing for the best results(visually).
2) On the other hand, having well developed, or over developed abs could possibly restrict your breathing while performing aerobic exercises(i.e. endurance training, etc.) This is very important to us triathletes. By the way this is the excuse I use for not having a six-pack! He he.
3) As mentioned earlier, DIET and water. Could be just a little extra water weight causing the softness or lack of abs. We do take in a lot of water and sodium rich fluids throughout training. But then again just my 2 cents.

Good points.
Most of my core strength exercises are just body weight.
I drink about a gallon of water a day, plus other liquids.
I am not too concerned about the six pack look.
I am happy I fit into my 32 inch waist pants :D

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RV posted 2 years ago.

JohnieTri wrote:
Just my 2 cents:
1) If you want them try some exercise in which weight(other than body weight) is being used. I believe that I remember from school(B.S. Exercise Science) and some other training articles that your ab routine should consist of about 1/3 of the exercises being weight bearing for the best results(visually).

Good point - I have recently added medicine ball routines to my core workout routine. I'm not really concerned either about the 6-pack look - really just want a strong core.

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thehitman posted 2 years ago.

Here's a core workout routine from GordoWorld:

http://www.byrn.org/gtips/core.htm

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TriNewbie posted 2 years ago.

Good way to enjoy your workout and achieve the six pack that you want is to workout with your significant other in the bedroom. Four times a week. This method could be called the 8 minute abs if you're a beginner or a true ironman can last ..... You can fill in the blank

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kona_expat posted 2 years ago.

Developing and seeing a 6-pack (I've been told at times I have an 8-pack!) is finding the perfect individual combination of the following factors:
1. Diet: It can take years before you figure out just what that magic combination of carbs, protein and fats needs to be to both support your training AND make your physique pop. There are rules of thumb, but it really is individual.
2. Body composition: In conjunction with 1, you need to be lean to see your abs, or any other muscle group for that matter. Someone else stated it above--rule of thumb is 18% for women and about 12% for men. But you might be different than this. See #3. I am about 11-12% now, which is very low for a woman, but I've had "decent" abs when I was heavier, but for me the lower abs didn't come around until I got below 15%.
3. Genetics. What I mean by this is not the natural propensity to be lean (I have 2 brothers and 2 sisters and they are all fat to obese), but the genetic SHAPE of your muscles. Look at any bodybuilding magazine, and while you will see general patterns in the muscle shapes, there is quite a bit of variance. That's genetics. But no matter what you are born with, it's just your potential; the other factors play just as much of a role.
4. Workout program. Just like any other body part, abs only need to be worked twice a week. I have found that once I got them where I wanted, that in the last 8-12 weeks of Ironman training I can get away with once a week or not at all! OK, so I won't have that superior definition, but who cares, I'm not training for a bodybuilding competition. More than twice a week, and well, you're a triathlete, right? So spend additional time on your sports training. Just as your genetics give you potential for a certain shape to your abs, so does your workout program. The same program applied to 2 different people won't necessarily yield the same results. And just as your triathlon training needs to be mixed up with different intensities, so does your abs/core routine need to be mixed up with different exercises/sequences to keep the muscles challenged. Although I did publish my "current" abs/core routine, I do change it at least once per year. Why? Because we get used to anything we do repetitively.

Empirically I've found that something key to a nice mid-section is the balance of muscle definition between the obliques and the 6-pack, or rectus abdominus, itself. So people who do only up and down crunches are not going to look as good as people who include twisting motions and GENERAL CORE WORK which serves to tighten up everything in the middle.

And finally, as your abs get stronger, they need to be stressed more just like any other muscle group. 2-3 years ago I started out using a 6-lb. medicine ball, moved up to 8 lbs. a year ago, and now I'm using 10 lbs. (fyi you can get nice balls at jumpusa.com). Once I made the jump to 10 lbs., oh my, things just popped out. AND challenging my core. Try those jackknifes, and progress to one-legged. You will definitely feel your abs working!

As like anything else in sport, there is no silver bullet. We are all different, and as hard as we work, we may not be seeing results--YET. Patience and trial and error will get you where you want to go.

But, a buff 6-pack isn't everything. I wasn't actually trying for one--it just happened as a result of small changes I've made through the years, finding my diet "sweet spot," and face it, swimming, biking and running help support that nice midsection by keeping the fat off and also work it at the same time.

You can see my results here: http://crackheadfe.blogspot.com/2005/12/physique-or-vain-triathlete.html