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started by mdmorden on December 10, 2005

Hello, I am a 24 year old male, but only for 6 more days. No no, I will still be a male, but I will be 25 then. Don't want anyone getting the wrong idea. I live in Canada and we just got a 15cm dump of snow. That is half a foot in US terms. So I can't really get out on the bike right now, which is unfortunate as I just bought a new one. I have never competed in a triathlon. I am a non-swimmer, but I am quite comfortable on a bike. I plan to start with sprint tri's and hopefully do an olympic in the late summer or fall. I know I can run the 10km and bike the 40, but swimming 1.5, ouch! I will be glad to hear any advice that is up for the offering. Either from seasoned tri athletes or newbies in my position as well. I have a question to start out though; for a 500m swim what should i be looking at as a goal if I am fairly athletic? Under 10 minutes? Thanks

Matt

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adameldridge posted 2 years ago.

Like yourself this will be my first year to race and i have pretty much the same plan. As for the 500m swim in under 10 min it is well within your reach. I being a non swimmer started swimming about 2 months ago and the other day I swam 500m in 9min 25sec and i did about 100m on my back.

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mdmorden posted 2 years ago.

Congrats on the swimming. I am impressed. It also gives me some hope. Right now I can only do 6 lengths(150m) in a row of front crawl then I am in need of a breather. Each time I go my goal is to increase the number of lengths by one. So if I go 14 more times I will be able to do the 500m front crawl. Unless it doesn't work out like that for me. How is the running and biking for you? My time for 5km run is about 23 minutes, and the bike is unknown as i have been doing it on a trainer so it isn't accurate. Also on a mountain bike. Nice to be able to go through the same steps with someone. What are your goals as far as times in the race/s?

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BrianMc posted 2 years ago.

Hey Matt, good to hear you are starting tri's.

I started tri's last September and I could not swim at all. As long as I was in the pool at least 3 times a week, I noticed huge improvements in my swim. Under 10 minutes for 500m is a decent time, it won't have you at the front of the pack by any means, but you would be around the middle in most tri's I have raced in. Don't worry about time too much right now though, you'll see it fall rapidly over the next few months as you get more comfortable in the pool. IN the one year since I started swimming, I have gotten my 500m time to about 7:30, and will be racing at IMWI next September, so you can definately do it.

One piece of advice to keep in mind, comparing times against similar distances is pretty hard, as terrain and weather play a huge role especially on the bike. I think IMWI this year demonstrated that.

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CAcyclingFAN posted 2 years ago.

I would say that is as good of a goal as any. I think it is good to always have some type of goal. Keep in mind the swim course on race day can have a lot to do with your time. When I am doing race on a course that is new for me I like to look at the results from the previous year to try and figure out pacing for race day.

Also, I don't know exactly how they measure buoy distances causing some swim courses at the same race to vary slightly from year to year so I wouldn't get discouraged if you get out of the water and you didn't meet your exact goal. That has happened to me before and I found out after the race that everyone had longer swim times.

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gauntlet posted 2 years ago.

Welcome to the sport Matt

I have a diffrent perspective on swimming. I came to the sport as a runner, I could ride a bike, and I knew how to survive in the water. Not swim. I had roughly three months to learn before my first sprint. I read everything I could get my hands on about proper form and technique. I went from having to stop after each 50 to catch my breath to swimming a 1000 meters easily. My first Tri? 500 meter swim. I waited to let the faster swimmers go then started 20 seconds after them. I ran out of gas after 100 meters, I back stroked, side stroked, dog paddled to shore. I finished in 16 minutes. I got ran over by the next age group that started 5 minutes after me. My advice? Get some open water swims in before the event and try not to compare pool time to open water time. Learn from the first expierence and throw your first time out the window. It's just a time to beat at your next Tri.

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mdmorden posted 2 years ago.

I agree that it would be a good idea to get some open water swims in before I race at all, but I do live in Canada so that limits me somewhat as to when you can enter the water. It takes until at least June if you don't want to freeze to death. However, my first two sprint tri's will be in a pool. My first outdoor will be in a small lake in July so I hope to give it a go outside before that one. Thanks for the advice. I am going swimming today, well this evening. Hopefully it keeps improving.

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Tikal Dog posted 2 years ago.

I did my first tri last september too and I can give you one piece of advice! PLEASE DO swimm in open waters before race day. The first time you put your head in the water and you don´t see anything I can assure you it will scare the #$%& out of you.

For me i did my first open water swim the day before the race...I felt soooooo scared at first I couldn´t figure out how I was supposed to race the next day. So I tried to relax and convince my self that there where no strange monsters beneath me and kept on practicing. After a few more minutes i felt confident (I think) and kept on going.

Next morning I was calm as a bird and when I put my face in the water I remained calmed. The only thing that scared me on race day was losing my direction to the bouy. So Another good advice is NAVIGATE as often as you like for your first tri. For me I took one side breath and one front (navigating) breath. Sometimes I stoped swimming when I looked forward. But I am almost certain you lose more time if you lose your direction than by stopping often.

It was funny every time I stoped and looked around I could always see a couple of guys swimming totally twisted and headed anywhere but to the bouy.

I wouldn´t focus my first tri on times. Forget about swimming in Xminutes if you haven´t swimmed before. Your goal should be finishing it and enjoying it. If you set your goals to time in this first tri and you don´t achive them it might be a little dissapointing for you. Your goals should be to finish te race and to enjoy it.

I am readind now your first races are in pools..........you are lucky!!! But don´t forget practicing openwater swims before your first openwater race.

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RV posted 2 years ago.

mdmorden wrote:
I agree that it would be a good idea to get some open water swims in before I race at all, but I do live in Canada so that limits me somewhat as to when you can enter the water. It takes until at least June if you don't want to freeze to death. However, my first two sprint tri's will be in a pool. My first outdoor will be in a small lake in July so I hope to give it a go outside before that one. Thanks for the advice. I am going swimming today, well this evening. Hopefully it keeps improving.

Matt


The cold is even more reason to get some open water swims in. Putting your face into COLD water wreaks havoc on the breathing - at least it did mine. It takes some time to get used to it. One year I didn't do any open swims prior to my race and the water was Very Cold - I nearly hyperventilated - it was my worst swim. Just don't underestimate the necessity of open water swims.

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mdmorden posted 2 years ago.

I went for a swim this evening and it went pretty good. I managed to do 20 lengths without stopping(500m). It was a big jump from my previous 6 lengths. The time was a slow 12 minutes, but that will improve I'm sure. I have to work on my kicking as I only do the odd scissor kick to keep them up. I am sure there are many other things that I have to work on as well, but that is one I better straigten out in a hurry. Any kicking drills? Or just use a board?

Matt

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RV posted 2 years ago.

Actually, you will probably be better served to work on your stroke and body position and rotation rather than the kick. The kick really just serves to help with the body rotation. That being said I will do some kick drills when working on form (kick on side, kos w/ single stroke and kos with triple stroke), but never with a kick board.
http://www.totalimmersion.net/sme-excerpt-kick.html This link is to a TI excerpt regarding the kick.

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mdmorden posted 2 years ago.

Had a read of your link to swimming made easy. Thanks RV it makes me feel a bit better about not kicking well. I will try to work on the other things more and leave the kick and hope that it develops with the rest of it. Are any of those books worth buying? Do you have to order then or can you get them in a book store? Thanks again.

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bluebirdbiker posted 2 years ago.

mdmorden wrote:
Hello, I am a 24 year old male, but only for 6 more days. No no, I will still be a male, but I will be 25 then. Don't want anyone getting the wrong idea. I live in Canada and we just got a 15cm dump of snow. That is half a foot in US terms. So I can't really get out on the bike right now, which is unfortunate as I just bought a new one. I have never competed in a triathlon. I am a non-swimmer, but I am quite comfortable on a bike. I plan to start with sprint tri's and hopefully do an olympic in the late summer or fall. I know I can run the 10km and bike the 40, but swimming 1.5, ouch! I will be glad to hear any advice that is up for the offering. Either from seasoned tri athletes or newbies in my position as well. I have a question to start out though; for a 500m swim what should i be looking at as a goal if I am fairly athletic? Under 10 minutes? Thanks

Matt

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onefrshbro posted 2 years ago.

I would certainly agree on getting a few open water swims in before race time. My first race was a sprint with ocean swim. I unfortunately had not had any open water training swims as there is not a convenient place located near me. My time was a back of the pack 19mins. The ocean swim was another world from the comfortable confines of the pool. The waves, cold, and crowds prevented me to get into a comfortable breathing rythm but I made it through and enjoyed the challenge. My second tri was an olympic distance with lake swim...I actually finished the olympic swim with a respectable mid pack 30 mins.

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mdmorden posted 2 years ago.

Unfortunately BBB I am not in North Vancouver. Right this minute I am in Thunder Bay Ontario, but a couple days after Christmas I will be moving to Calgary. Vancouver was the closest to pick from on the list. So as far as tri's go for out in western canada I have no clue as to which are good and which are not. If I were a bit closer I would definately go on a few rides with you. Maybe we can compete in the same tri somethime though.

Matt

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RV posted 2 years ago.

mdmorden wrote:
Had a read of your link to swimming made easy. Thanks RV it makes me feel a bit better about not kicking well. I will try to work on the other things more and leave the kick and hope that it develops with the rest of it. Are any of those books worth buying? Do you have to order then or can you get them in a book store? Thanks again.

Matt


I had ordered the TI DVD and the book came with it. Probably could find it on e-bay. I used it to get started swimming again. And have since moved on to following the training program put forth by Rich Strauss at TrainingPeaks and I also got his e-book from crucible fitness. It has lots of drills etc. I went this route as with TI I just didn't seem to gain any speed, but it was invaluable for getting me started. Right now I am doing drills and seeing the desired results - a way to go but making progress. :D

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