Coaching?
After my IM this year I am going to get one for my next one. I will start looking for one in the spring.
My schedule has alway been screwy so I end up having odd available times to train. I rarely train with anybody, I can't get with a group for coaching and I certainly can't afford a coach.
I end up coaching myself. I have read many books and gotten articles from the internet, and have kind of distilled the info. The Triathletes Training Bible by Joe friel is great and I am sure others can suggest some other publications.
Another idea is online coaching which is more expensive than books but cheaper than an actual coach.
Good luck.
Nothing to it, but to do it
I've used a swim coach some but done the rest on my own... I need to get better about a plan though. Like Beads, my training times make it hard for me to work with a regular group. Luckily there is another guy where I work that sometimes runs or bikes with me.
I self-coach as well. Like beads my schedule is all over the place and I travel for work as well, so I buy books and research as best as I can and then incorporate it all into a plan.
Would love to have a coach, but the $ put it out of reach for me too.
Another cheaper thought is joing a local tri club - They often have USAT coaches associated to give advice, direction etc. Plus usually have a lot of experienced triathletes.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
I looked very close to the coaching issue.
The money is surely better spend than on drugs or stuff... EPO would produce results, too, but you know, I don't want to end up like Nina Kraft. :D (I am joking about the EPO stuff! I do not use nor support performance enhancing drugs!!!)
You have a person you can talk to about your training, which in my opinion is a good thing. You do not have to worry about over-training, because there is somebody watching you schedule carefully and having a long-term plan. Right now I wake up and train what comes to my mind. Definitely not the best approach to training.
Coaches can cheer you up and motivate. And in a certain way you can blame them afterwards...
But I ended up finding no online coach with fees below the 35€ mark. And as a student even 5€ is a lot of money... So a coach is unvailable to me.
I read a lot of articles, too, but found out that I do not stick to my own plans. I create them, do the workouts for two to three days and then... Consistency is what I am lloking for the most if I hired a coach. He is the one taking care of me going out and train the sports quite unnecessary like swimming and running. (Sorry, I'll never say that again, it musn't become a mantra and set my mind like it was true.)
So in the end, I guess next season I'll post my plans in my blog every week and will have the folks coming around checking if I was on track.
Thanks for reading
Thanks guys/gals...I am having a huge issue with the $ part of it too. That is my big hang up. Maybe i will try the book first and see how it goes...
Something that just came to my mind: I would not have too much trouble installing a plan for somebody else, but for me... I can't really decide what workout to add.
There is so much around: Base, fartlek, intervals, swim technique, strength, race pace. When to do what?
But if it was only one sport I'd be bored!
One option that is far less expensive than coaching is having a professonal coach develop a training plan. The coach will interview you thoroughly to get to know your specific needs and limiters, write a schedule and make sure that you understand it. After that it is up to you to implement it and to make adjustments along the way. This isn't as good as having a full time coach develop schedules every month and available to answer questions and make adjustments ... but it is far less labor for the coach and, therefore, much more affordable. More information about my company's programs and pricing is available at http://www.fitness-concepts.com/programpricing.htm Ken
Ken Mierke Ken@Fitness-Concepts.com
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I've done all of the above!!! I read, ALOT. That helps. I've also joined a local Tri-club. It's great; there are weekly group rides, runs, and swims. We have a team meeting once a month to talk, etc. Plus, there are uniforms!! One of the biggest reasons i started doing tri's is i missed the competion in sports.
Also, i meet once a month with a coach. He's a personal trainer who was competitive in cycling, biathlons, & tri's. I sit down with him for about 2 hours, and we go over my training log, then plan for the next month. Very cool; highly recomend.
-Jay Mac
www.shorelinesharks.com
There is a special sort of satisfaction I think of being self coached. I use training plans available in books and on the net and such and also go from my gut and years of experience...I listen to what others do (or not do) and see if it will work for me...I coached myself through 2 IM's and some ultras and lots of short stuff....
Maybe a coach could help me get faster...but I have never been fast and my personality tends more to being laid back anyway.
I know a number of folks who have had coaches. some followeed the coach to the letter others did more than they were supposed to,others not half of what the coach said. some had coaches that were paid for others had "coaches" who offered to help...In the end,they were successful not because of the coach,but because of their own dedication and hard work and in some cases luck...
Some people do better just because someone holds their hand through the whole process...
I feel too if we do things on our own...we learn better and the lessons stick.
I have tried coached workouts but tend to train alone too,so they don't really fit in my life.
Try it once...see if it works for you...or tryit alone with advice from all the great folks here at trifuel
For myself though,when the finish line comes into view, it is nice to know,that it was all(mostly) me.
"What would life be if we had no courage to attempt anything?" - Vincent Van Gogh
My Blog: http://agingsuperhero.blogspot.com
I checked out the prices that Ken provided on his link.
It is much more reasonable than in person coaching.
But, I still couldn't afford the $100 extra in my budget a month right now.
I think self coaching is good for now. I am an age grouper and I want to complete an IM.
I have the self discipline to motivate myself to do the training.
I will see how I do at IM just self coaching right now. If I do well I'll stick with it and if not I'll consider coaching.
Or, if I win the Mega Millions Lottery, then I'll get some coaches,
Normann Stadler, Peter Reid, Tim DeBoom, Lance Armstrong, Michael Phelps, etc...
Of course I'll invite you all to my new training complex too ;)
Nothing to it, but to do it
I am starting to agree with self coaching also. Maybe as Kyillee mentioned joining a masters group for swimming. I just would rather spend my money on race fees and new equipment than coaching. Besides my hubby is really good at making training plans for his mountain biking racing and he is planning on trying a tri w/me next year...so maybe he and I can sit down and map something out. Also i can always pick your brains on it! He He. I am picking up Joe Friels book after work today to start reading up.
Outdoorgirl. I see you live in OC.
What about joining the LA Tri Club? I just read an article about them and it is one of the largest Tri clubs in the country. That might be a good way to learn / train with some really talented athletes. I checked out their website and there is 6 different club workouts posted for today alone. Don’t know what it cost to join, but might be worth checking into. latriclub.com.
- T
T...thanks for the info. i will check it out for sure. I saw many from the club up at my Malibu tri this last weekend.
The only issue I have with LA tri club is that it is mostly based in Santa Monica (about an hour or more depending on traffic from OC). Although there are 6 things on the calendar for today, I think 2 are big, out of the area events, and the others are all Santa Monica area. Sometimes they make it to Long Beach, so then it's only about a 40 minute drive.
There is also the OC Tri Club . Their workouts haven't been posted lately though -- although it looks like there are some up today. So maybe they are using the website more again. It seems to be on and off.
Yea, I looked at La Tri and the workouts are too far for me. I am willing to do Irvine or Newport cause I live in Laguna Niguel...but much further after work than that and it isn't worth it. There are no Tri clubs like that in South OC...Kyillee maybe we should start one?
Did you check out the OC Tri Club?
Hmm...they may be a good option. Especially for swims at big corona. It is more fun to go there with a group.
I'm not sure, but I think they do organized rides and runs as well. It's just not on their calendar.
The local tri team that I am apart of offers cyber-membership, Roger (the coach) is an awesome guy with a huge background in coaching. He develops busy schedules for those of us who need it, to actually get up and go. His base price starts at 40 a month...Check it out:
http://www.trislo.com/members.asp
(scroll towards the bottom)
-Branden
"Its an addiction"
Ok I am going to lend my opinion to this argument, as you can see from my signature line I am a certified coach so you can take this for what it is worth. Self-coaching is something that we all do at some point in our tri careers. The books are great and I certainly would advise that you read all that you can on the sport and related topics. Several books I use as references when I build plans for my athletes. That being said the biggest problems with self-coaching are 1) Objective self evaluation, 2) Generic plans that are not tailored to you the athlete, 3) The possibility of injury or overtraining by not recognizing the symptoms of each,4) The opportunity to have a coach to encourage you in difficult times and someone to answer your questions. I will expand on each of these topics:
Objective self-evaluation-It is human nature to do what we like and avoid what we don't like. The same holds true for training, if you don't like going to the track then chances are you aren't going to go and your run times will suffer as a result.
Generic Plans-Generic Plans are just that generic. They are not tailored to your needs nor do they address your strengths and limitations. Example-If you are a strong swimmer and a weak cyclist then you might need to swim only twice a week and cycle four times per week, but a generic plan would have you doing 3 and 3.
Overtraining and Injury-In my opinion as a coach my primary resposibility is to deliver you to the starting line of your event uninjured and trained but not overtrained. Both of these things can happen quite easily for someone not experienced in training for endurance events. A coach can monitor these things to make sure that you are not doing too much. Remember it is better to arrive 20% undertrained than 1% overtrained.
Having a coach to talk to- As a coach I don't profess to know everything, however I do have a wealth of knowledge that can be valuable to a new athlete or an experienced athlete. As a coach I have encountered many different situations and have had to address them.
Like I said before you can take this for what it is worth, but in my opinion a coach is money well spent to improve your performance.
Brett Daniels
USAT Level I Coach
www.thesportfactory.com
Hey Brett,
I agree that being coached would improve performance for all the reasons you mention.
The hard part for many is affording it.
Triathlon can get pricey,...even if you do it cheap.
You need a bike and you need shoes and some other equipment.
I know coaches need to be paid to do there job,
so I have no problem with the rates anybody charges either.
I can do a tri without a coach, but I can't do a tri without a bike or shoes.
Eventually now that I have my equipment I may look into coaching next year.
Nothing to it, but to do it
Unfortunately, a coach is something that has to stay on the wish list for me.
Absolutely recognize the benefits of having a coach, but $$$.
For now, have to go with books and research.
I am probably harder on myself than any coach would be, especially when working on weaknesses.
The overtraining is the tough one to identify - working on that one...
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
Same here when it comes to the $$. I did invest some in some swim coaching since that was my weakness, and that was good.
As far as overtraining signs, perhaps tell a training partner to help keep an eye on you? Mine is good about pointing out when I do dumb stuff... and when I overtrain ;)
If you check your resting hr each morning and it spikes up 5 or more beats for a few days in a row you could be over training. - Not scientific but a decent guide if you have nothing else. Also, if you are training with power and you see your power dropping over the same types of intervals you probably need a little rest.
When it's time to die, let us not discover that we have never lived. - Thoreau
I have used the HR method as well and it seems to work pretty well. If you have read any of the book they also mention some other methods as well.
Nothing to it, but to do it
Thanks - I'll try that with the HR.
I 99% of the time train on my own, so no one to watch me, but me.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
And sometimes I do it for that lonely time.
Ya, I like the training on my own. Helps with developing the mental discipline to go hard or just to keep going and not take the short route home.
RV
It takes a long time to get good. - Scott Molina
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast. - Rich Strauss
My schedule is not my own. Between kids, work and the National Guard I don't make my schedule they do. I some times have to get creative with my workout schedule. So far so good but there's no way I could have a coach to set my schedule. It just wouldn't work.
I just signed on with a coach. I shouldn't spend the money either but I think it will give far more bang-for-the-buck than new wheels or pedals. Knowing me though I'll likely end up with those too.
On my own I think I undertrain because, as with all of you , life has a habit of rearing its head. With a coach I hope I will force myself to take the time to train when it doesn't seem to fit. Looking at despcritpions of 4:30am trainer sessions I realize it can be done.
Garth




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Do any of your utilize a team or coached approach to your tri training? My swim coach from my Team in Training prep for this last race is a USAT cert coach and he is starting a coaching program for about 12 people. There are about 4 workouts a week...and he will individualize the coaching...but it is expensive. Just wondering about your thoughts. If you don't use this type of program what do you use? I want to drop lbs and get quicker for next season.