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started by PGansz on August 24, 2005

lately i've been reading a lot about how to train for IM's (since its my new goal) and i've come across something i just don't get... why is it that people tell you to train based on time frames?

ex. 6 weeks out/ be able to run 2hrs and bike 4hrs

isn't the point of the IM the distance involved? why don't experts tell you to train based on distance? that just seems dumb to focus on running for a certain time..i mean, what if someone runs slow as crap and can't get the job done? i mean seriously..why don't they just say run 12 miles and bike 75 miles?

these training guides just seem pointless to me...the entire point of the race is finishing the distance...ones time is meaningless if you're just trying to finish... :confused:

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Tribro posted 3 years ago.

Most programs are based by time because it is a constant. Meaning 60 minutes is always 60 minutes, while 30 miles could take 90 minutes on a flat road and 3 hours on a hilly road. Basically you want to build up your ability to endure based on timeframe not necessarily distance. Most programs don't push you out to the full distance but rather get comfortable almost getting there and that should take you the full distance on the day of the race.

You may have to make some adjustments to the program based on your average speed, but week in and week out it's easier to write a program based on time blocks.

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PrinceofClydes posted 3 years ago.

PGansz wrote:
why is it that people tell you to train based on time frames?

ex. 6 weeks out/ be able to run 2hrs and bike 4hrs

isn't the point of the IM the distance involved? why don't experts tell you to train based on distance?

I agree with tribro, and I want to add..

consider that everyone has different abilities and paces.
- running 2 hrs for you might mean going 12 miles, but I might manage only 10 miles in that time.

Nonetheless, your body will react to a 2 hour run much the same way as mine does, because we will burn up our reserves of fuel in a given time regardless of our ability. Which is to say, I will get as much out of a 2 hour training run as you do relative to my lower ability.

20 minutes of exercise and we both run out of glycogen and begin to metabolize more fat for fuel.

After 2 1/2 hours you will have exhausted all fuel reserves and, unless you have been eating something during that period the body will begin to catabolize muscle for energy, (as well as using fat reserves and reconstituted glycogen)

- even though we will have covered different distances during that time.

Yeah, covering the distance on race day is the goal, but managing training periods, especially to avoid doing "junk miles," one needs to address different parameters.

best of luck and keep those questions coming,

PoC

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PGansz posted 3 years ago.

i see your point prince...

what are "junk miles"?

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kylie posted 3 years ago.

It has always seemed a bit odd to me as well, and I came to the same conclusions as already posted. However, I wanted to add good luck!

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PrinceofClydes posted 3 years ago.

PGansz wrote:
i see your point prince...

what are "junk miles"?

Oh, jogging 3km with your dog in the morning when you are a 50minute/10km calibre runner (not that you have to do that - all the time!)
Riding 10kms on your bike around the neighbourhood on your way to 7/11 for a slurpee, and calling it a training ride.
A swim session where your heartrate never breaks 120 because you spend 2 minutes between sets chatting with the cute blonde in the slow lane,
stuff like that. Looks good on the weekly chart but you are just kidding yourself.

What we need are "quality miles" - not necessarily flat out, or even race pace, but definitely a part of a planned program. When the program calls for an hour run at conversational pace during base building, you do an hour at conversational pace - jogging 30 minutes to the coffee shop, sit for 30 minutes yakking with friends and jog 30 minutes home doesn't count!

capiche?

PoC

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trithis04 posted 3 years ago.

PGans,

POC and Tribro make important points. I would add, it is critical to consider your own abilites. If you are a 10 min. miler, then you may want to consider clocking off some long run courses. This will ensure you cover an appropriate distance to be prepared.

In my own training, I use both methods. For long rides and runs, I always know how far I've gone not just the elapsed time. I'll set on the bike and say I'm going to ride for six hours, but I'm also concerned with distance. Some of it is mental, you want make sure you are ready to see 90 miles on the computer and know that you have another hour + on the course.

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