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started by DJTubs on June 9, 2005

when you guys first started cycling were any of you really really rubbish, i did my first 42k last week and it took 1 hour 55 which is rubbish compared to my run and swim times, i just find it so frustrating that no matter how much i do i dont improve and the incline which i cycle on has far more impact on my speed than my actual effort even tiny tiny inclines where it looks flat. i also find i often seem to be in the wrong gear, is there anywhere i can learn how to change gears properly (even though it sounds really stupid) i know exactly what i should be doing to get better and i am improving (i think) but its just frustrating that my improvements are so slow, and mu cycling is so bad im considering giveing up triathlon to just run instead as there isnt all that much difference between my running and cycling speeds....i didnt really type that in looking for people to tell me what training to do, i just want to know if anyone else has had these problems and what they did about it

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RV posted 3 years ago.

Hate to see you give up on the sport. There could really be a lot of factors. How long have you been cycling? Conditions for the ride? i.e. Very hilly? Winds? Training preparation etc...
As far as gearing - a lot of that is feel, but if you use a cadence meter that will certainly help. Use it the same way as you would the RPM on a car and when you would shift. When your cadence begins to drop, due to wind, terain, whatever, drop to an easier gear. Just stick with it.

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virturace posted 3 years ago.

RV - My target cadence is 92. Along the lines of what you said, when training hills, is it "better" training for me to go to the easiest gear to get as close to 92 as possible while training? Or is it better to push the biggest gear that will allow me stay above a minimum cadence - say 35. Or is speed a better indicator, such as 10mph on a steep hill?

I know that some of this is subjective, but I feel like i'm cheating if I just go to the lowest gear and spin away on a big hill, like I'd be getting more out of it if I kept it in a little bigger gear and spun slower.

What are you .02?

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Tribro posted 3 years ago.

I'm still rubbish :)

Though not as rubbish as I was when I started. It definitely takes time to build cycling strength and endurance, seems especially for runners. If you stick with it, put in the miles, and try to do some focused workouts a couple times per week you'll eventually get the hang of it and improve.

My experience has been that there is a "beginner's" plateau, by which you suck for a year and then the miles catch up with you and you make some headway. I took up cycling when I was about your age and gave up for the same reasons. I took it up again about 5-6 years back and wish someone had told me that if I stuck with it back then I'd break through that plateau.

On the cadence and climbing, I that's my weakness as well. i'm fine on the flats and descents, but even the gradual climbs tend to hurt me compared to my peers. So, this year I'm trying to focus on doing gradual climbs at least twice per week. I try to keep my cadence up, but also drop it down (as virturace mentioned) to work on building strength.

So, bottom line is yes there are many like you out there and it just takes persistence and mileage to improve. Don't give up on it, you're young and cycling fitness is a continual building process year after year. You could be very strong in 4-5 years if you stick with it.

Just as an example: Both my brothers never rode bikes before taking up the sport, aside from some tooling around on a bmx. After about 5 years of persistent riding they've each built a reputation for being top cyclists in the sport.

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DJTubs posted 3 years ago.

cheers tribro, thats exactly what i wanted to hear, and ''tooling around on a bmx'' is so apt lol.

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jmcglos posted 3 years ago.

I'll agree with tribro (at least in my experience) - I had that beginner's plateau. I started really getting into cycling about a year ago. I started riding with a group of guys at my work. In the beginning, they kept it a little easier for me and once I got the hang of riding with them, they started to push it more. Now, there's this hill we always climb that's about a mile long on our route. Always, always they would beat me up it and they would have to wait for me at the top. One day this winter (in the first month or so of my Half Ironman training), I broke through this plateau and beat them all up the hill. Something just clicked. I'm not sure what - but from that day on, I've continued to see improvements in my riding ability - climbing, speed, endurance, etc. And, my beating them up the hill that day made them reassess their riding and training and they have since become better climbers.

If you love to ride, don't give up. Who cares how slow you may be right now? It's all the more reason to keep it up and prove to yourself that you can get faster. Once you start seeing results, you'll be glad you didn't give up. Now, if you hate cycling, well.......

Have you been riding with other people? Riding with people better than you will help make you a better rider - you can see their technique both on flats and climbs and find out what cadence they're most efficient at and see if you can mimic it.

Good luck!

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tcrunner07 posted 3 years ago.

i definately reccomend the caidence meter. It will help you alot. and make sure that you are geting enough rest inbetween your workouts and your legs are able to recover. My target caidence is between 100 and 110. i had a rough time transitioning from "mashing" to caidence. But it really is a great advantage. I guess the only thing i can say is make sure you are recovering enough. Maybe try and do some spinning classes, they do alot with resistance on the spinners.

i hope you stay with it.

If you get a flat, and don't have a tube, Suck it up and run it in!!!

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DJTubs posted 3 years ago.

well i enjoy it, but the way i see it, if i focus on my running id be able to do some hot times, where as in triathlon ill always (well for my next few) be near the back which hurts for a competitive guy, on my first tri i came near the top run and swim but because of my poor bike leg i was near the back at the end, but ive taken heart from what tribro said, and hopefully in a few years i ll be a proper triathlete not just a runner with a bike :)

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RV posted 3 years ago.

My cadence is around 95. I try and push the largest gear that I can while maintaining that cadence.
On hills I definitely drop down on the gears - I had a hard time doing that at first as I felt like cheating or wimping out - I used to grind at 50-60 on the way up - But again it is the largest gear that you can comfortably maintain it at the higher cadence. Found that I am able to stay down on the areobars on all but the toughest climbs. And you will find that you can really attack the hills and pass people on the way up this way. Then as you begin to crest start popping down to a bigger gear. The legs will be fresher and ready to tear into the down hill.
All that said there are days when doing hill intervals I will still work them in a big gear and lower cadence - but this is more for strength.
There is my 2 cents....

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kylie posted 3 years ago.

Great tips... I still feel way more awkward on the bike than either running or swimming. As far as cadence goes, I have a bike comp that I love (Forerunner 301, also for running, etc). What cadence meters do you guys recommend? I really only need something for cadence as the other one does everything else I could want.

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Triguy98 posted 3 years ago.

When I first started riding, I had that beginners plateau that Tribro is talking about. The only thing you can do is ride, ride, ride. One day, you'll be out riding, an it will just click. You'll feel like water as you ride, and go further than you ever have. Then you're readyfor real work. Untill then , just go out and ride. At least the first month should just be riding around getting used to the bike and gears. THEN get a computer with cadence and start learning how to stay in a good zone. I loooooove my Cateye Double Wireless w/o HRM. Dont give up, it'll come to you.

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RV posted 3 years ago.

That is also the allure and challenge of tri's.
We all have our weaker sport. For me it was both running and swimming. I'd pass everyone on the bike that left me behind on the swim only to have them start catching me on the run. This year my run has broken through a plateau and it is nice to see all the hard training paying off. Making good progress on the swim too.
Use your competitiveness to challenge yourself to stick with it and put in the effort needed. It is worth it.

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RV posted 3 years ago.

kyillee - I use the Trek Fusion-C for cadence etc. Have the 301 as well - great little tool!

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virturace posted 3 years ago.

DJTubs - you say that you're competetive, but it sounds like you are only so when you feel that you can win. Part of what keeps this sport from growing (which may be a good thing?) is people's fear of failure. True, it's always more fun when you win, but how much fun is it if you always know that you're going to win?

I started this whole tri nonsense in January. My first splash and dash, I came in 70th out of 100. Talk about bubble bursts! I was a top-notch wrestler in high school - not used to losing, certainly not used to losing to some of the people that I watched cross the finish line ahead of me. But it was so unbelievably motivating.

Last week, in the same race, I took 15 and two days later finished 17th overall in the Rio Salado Triathlon. I was 9th in the swim, 9th in the run and 27th on the bike - I suck at it too! My point is, that you can give it up and win some 5Ks - drink a cup of beer when you're done and call it a day, or you can fight like hell to find your cycling legs and use your other skills to keep you in the race until you do.

Oh, and by the way, you still have 12 YEARS before you start to hit your peak as an endurance athlete! I started when I was 33 - I would give anything to have started when I was 18. You have no idea how luck you are.

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trithis04 posted 3 years ago.

I think everybody goes thru this to some extent (unless they're entering tri from the world of competive cycling). I was not a cyclist when I started doing triathlons (in fact, I'm not one now either, I just ride the bike) and it sucks! Took about 9 months to get to be just average. But I'll say the best advice has been mentioned, just log the hours. Stay away from the complex and just ride...a lot! Like the others, this worked for me too! And there is no substitute.

That's how everyone above got it done. They found the weakness and did their best to correct it. This probably won't end for you here either. This training flats come up quite a bit. The most beneifical results come from working thru it.

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makscooter posted 3 years ago.

Cycling is built on a different chassis, even tho' you're using the same engine as in running and swimming. At younger ages, muscle fiber density is such that dramatic improvements can be made in short order. A few weeks of increasing cycling mileage, will develop the muscle group that powers the pedals, and your lower legs will look very defined as well as increased in mass. Go for it.